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[Joseph Mallan]

Pale Jackal, on 29 November 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

SSRM 2s have a signfiicant advantage: you get a lock, and they'll hit.

However, the way current SRM spread works, they also have a much greater effective range.

Take an SRM6 without Artemis, and try firing at 250 meters. Even if you aimed your shot perfectly, several SRMs are going to miss. Even if you do this with Artemis, several SRMs will miss.

So, at 270 meters, your 3 ton SRM6 is more like an SRM2... so why not use an SSRM2 and save yourself a couple extra tons? Not to mention you don't even have to predict your enemy's movement anymore.

However, this is not true with SSRM2s. 270 meters, and they will all hit.

SRM6s are wonderful. I love them, but my point is that SSRM2s have an advantage in MWO beyond a 100% chance to hit. They also have an advantage in terms of range.

I like the current "shotgun" effect of SRMs - they are very potent, but very short range, but it might be wise to reduce their damage and increase their accuracy. This would nerf SSRM2s, and keep damage values consistent. This would reduce the shotgun effect of SRMs, but it would increase their viability at range.

Of course, there are other solutions, such as increasing the difficulty of maintaining a lock with SSRM2s, or requiring the lock to be re-acquired after every volley.

And your point is what? It is a advanced and superior weapon system. It is also a little more powerful than a medium laser at teh same range...
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[Pale Jackal]

Hayashi, on 29 November 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

That's not what I meant. IIRC the SRMs detonate at 270m, so that is their absolute maximum range. You cannot get full damage between 675m and 1350m for an ER Large Laser, and you get zero damage beyond the maximum range, in pretty much the same way.

The analogy drawn is that in both cases, there is a maximum effective range (for SRM6, depending on the target, this could be as low as 50m) and there is a maximum range. Firing outside this is possible up to the maximum range, but in both cases you don't ever get the maximum damage - and the further you get, the lower the damage will get.

SSRMs have exactly the same maximum range as SRMs, but don't have the same maximum effective range - for SSRMs, maximum effective range = maximum range. Therefore it is correct to say that they have a greater maximum effective range, but misleading to say they have a greater maximum range.

Yes, I understood that, but your argument is mere semantics. Especially since the ER Large Laser is courteous enough to be explicit about its maximum effective range and its maximum range - and the ER Large Laser follows the same behavior as every other laser weapon.

I would not be complaining if the Streak SRM2 was called, "ER SRM2", and the explicit benefit was extended range.

The benefit to Streaks is their lock-on. However, MWO gives them an additional benefit: a better "maximum effective range."

What I am attempting to convey is that the alteration to SRM behavior during the closed beta (where SRMs were deadly accurate), may have inadvertently made SSRM2s stronger than they were intended to be.

[PropagandaWar]

I like SRM's just how they are and I dont use art in my Hunchy SP SRM6xSRM4. They punch em when they get to close and when they are runnin from me I will lob afew at them at up to about 200 meters. I only use one build with streaks and thats my Cent CN9-A and thats only because it packs a UAC 5.

[PropagandaWar]

Mu, on 29 November 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Also some weird mechs like the Cataphract 2X have arm launchers that help regular SRMs a bit.

Even though I stopped playin the phract I actually had to convert to streaks on that arm, it became suprisingly painfult to use with torso mounted weapons for me. Although to be honest I spent very little time with that build.

[JayVrb]

SRMs are shotguns... that's how I view them.