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[Iron Phoenix]

Recently I was reading the thread on the Covenant form Halo vs the IS (http://mwomercs.com/...df-vs-covenant/). The thought occured to me that I would like to see what would happen if the Inner Sphere took on the Atreides Empire. Any thoughts?

Personally, I think the Imperium would win, mostly due to thier usage of space folding, but any out and out combat on the ground would be a massacre for the Imperium, whereas the space battles would lean towards the Imperium due to thier Holtzman shields.
Also, if anyone can find hard facts/stats for comparison, please post!

P.S. I would still fight for the IS, even if I would lose, being a 'Mechwarrior beats being a Fedaykin anyday.

Edited by Iron Phoenix, 10 May 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[Zakatak]

I know little to nothing about Warhammer 40k, but I did pick some things up from the Space Battle thread.

1. Gods.
2. Magic.
3. Exterminatus.
4. Ultramarines.
5. Titan Mechs.
6. Psychics.

So I would hazard a guess that the Inner Sphere would be completely shat on.

Edited by Zakatak, 09 May 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[RDL Gabriel]

Iron Phoenix, on 09 May 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Recently I was reading the thread on the Covenant form Halo vs the IS (http://mwomercs.com/...df-vs-covenant/). The thought occured to me that I would like to see what would happen if the Inner Sphere took on the Atreides Empire. Any thoughts?

Sure. Atreides would force the navigators' league to stop carrying IS gear, so they are paralyzed and dead. No good going against Mahdi!

and seriously speaking, these are contaversary universes. Dune is perfectly literalized, but has a sucky game realization (except for the 1st), and MW - vice versa - interesting, really fine games, - and not a single book (disregarding those graphomaniac paper-crap experiences, exploiting the franchise label)

[Catamount]

RDL Gabriel, on 09 May 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Sure. Atreides would force the navigators' league to stop carrying IS gear, so they are paralyzed and dead. No good going against Mahdi!

and seriously speaking, these are contaversary universes. Dune is perfectly literalized, but has a sucky game realization (except for the 1st), and MW - vice versa - interesting, really fine games, - and not a single book (disregarding those graphomaniac paper-crap experiences, exploiting the franchise label)

Wait... did I misunderstand or are you saying there are no Battletech/Mechwarrior books?

[Rear Admiral]

Zakatak, on 09 May 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

I know little to nothing about Warhammer 40k, but I did pick some things up from the Space Battle thread.

1. Gods.
2. Magic.
3. Exterminatus.
4. Ultramarines.
5. Titan Mechs.
6. Psychics.

So I would hazard a guess that the Inner Sphere would be completely shat on.

house atreides has nothing to do with 40k.

RDL Gabriel, on 09 May 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Sure. Atreides would force the navigators' league to stop carrying IS gear, so they are paralyzed and dead. No good going against Mahdi!

and seriously speaking, these are contaversary universes. Dune is perfectly literalized, but has a sucky game realization (except for the 1st), and MW - vice versa - interesting, really fine games, - and not a single book (disregarding those graphomaniac paper-crap experiences, exploiting the franchise label)

who is mahdi? do you mean Mua'dib? As in most cases, the books are alot better than the movies. No sarcasm or nastiness intended, if you havent read them, do yourself a favor and read them.


Dune is one of the best scifi books ever written, if not the very best. Mistaking it for 40k of all things is worse than mistaking a battlemech for a gundam.

[Zakatak]

Oops. I read Imperium and immediately thought "40k".

I have yet to read Dune.

[Yvraith]

Mahdi, is one of the Fremen terms for Paul Mua'dib.
It relates back to their legends etc.

I agree the Dune books are awesome.

[Xiphias]

Zakatak, on 09 May 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

I know little to nothing about Warhammer 40k, but I did pick some things up from the Space Battle thread.

1. Gods.
2. Magic.
3. Exterminatus.
4. Ultramarines.
5. Titan Mechs.
6. Psychics.

So I would hazard a guess that the Inner Sphere would be completely shat on.

I would hazard a guess that you know little to nothing about Dune as well since

DUNE =/= Warhammer 40k



With that said I would recommend picking up the book "Dune" though. It's a good read.

Edit: 'd

Edited by Xiphias, 09 May 2012 - 06:25 PM.

[Rear Admiral]

Yvraith, on 09 May 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Mahdi, is one of the Fremen terms for Paul Mua'dib.

Yes, you are correct, my apologies.

[Yvraith]

No worries.

[Iron Phoenix]

Zakatak, on 09 May 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

I know little to nothing about Warhammer 40k, but I did pick some things up from the Space Battle thread.

1. Gods.
2. Magic.
3. Exterminatus.
4. Ultramarines.
5. Titan Mechs.
6. Psychics.

So I would hazard a guess that the Inner Sphere would be completely shat on.

The Atreides empire is from the Dune universe, Warhammer is completley different. Although I have to agree with the assessment.

[Iron Phoenix]

Catamount, on 09 May 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Wait... did I misunderstand or are you saying there are no Battletech/Mechwarrior books?

There are, RDL Gabriel is just saying they suck.

[Claw55]

First, the Empire would have to try plugging a nav computer into a Holtzman drive (gasp!) to have a prayer of competing with JumpShips. Then we can start talking about the obvious adavntages of BattleMechs...

Edited by Claw55, 10 May 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[Iron Phoenix]

@ Claw55: I just realized the logisitcal issue of supplying an invasion force's worth of heighliner Navigators with spice. That could be the single biggest snag the Imperium would have when it comes to supply routes.

[Kifferson von doober]

Iron Phoenix, on 10 May 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

There are, RDL Gabriel is just saying they suck.

I wouldn't go for suck in general. Suck compared to dune i'll let you have lol.

[Garth Erlam]

Muaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadib!

[IronSardaukar]

Even if somehow the IS was able to either capture a navigator, or if you refer to the later books (and I'm only referring to those written by Frank Herbert, not his spawn, and its succubus *shudder*) a no-ship, with an Ixian automated ai navigator. But, since no-ships mimic their surroundings with complete harmony, I just don't know how it could be done. And beyond that, if mechs were deployed they would still have shields to contend with. Not sure if the lasers from IS could be akin to the lasgun from Dune, but when a lasbeam hits a shield the result is a catastrophic meltdown on both ends.

Its difficult to compare these things...


P.S. I forgot to mention that if they land on the actual planet of Dune, their mechs would be scrap. Complete and utter scrap. The desert would destroy a mech, and the pilot inside it, if the sandworms didn't consume it first!

Edited by IronSardaukar, 10 May 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[Attalward]

I tihnk is easy to compare both universes one has godly like Paul Mua'dib and Mechwarrior now has godly empowered Paul Inouye. See the similarity, both surnames get confusing when trying to pronounce them....

[Claw55]

IronSardaukar, on 10 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Even if somehow the IS was able to either capture a navigator, or if you refer to the later books (and I'm only referring to those written by Frank Herbert, not his spawn, and its succubus *shudder*) a no-ship, with an Ixian automated ai navigator. But, since no-ships mimic their surroundings with complete harmony, I just don't know how it could be done. And beyond that, if mechs were deployed they would still have shields to contend with. Not sure if the lasers from IS could be akin to the lasgun from Dune, but when a lasbeam hits a shield the result is a catastrophic meltdown on both ends.

Its difficult to compare these things...


P.S. I forgot to mention that if they land on the actual planet of Dune, their mechs would be scrap. Complete and utter scrap. The desert would destroy a mech, and the pilot inside it, if the sandworms didn't consume it first!

So terribly true. Mech weapons would be useless in the heat, and they'd draw Shai-Hulud like a magnet. That said, the IS doesn't need melange, so Arrakis is just another desert planet, so they'd just march on to Caladan, with its cool, wet climate providing plenty of opportunities to fire large lasers.

Edited by Claw55, 10 May 2012 - 03:29 PM.

[Victor Morson]

Dune is one of the few universes I think BattleTech could actually trounce. While space folding and stuff is impressive, it relies on spice and psychics and such - where as BT JumpDrives are not connected to those limitations. They can't zip around Star Wars style (which would crush any CBT force) anyway, giving them an actual chance.

'mechs vs sandworms is a pretty amusing image to say the least, of course; I wouldn't want to bring anything not jump capable to Dune itself. That said, you're also forgetting that BattleTech has very effective hovercraft compared to Dune armies; a few battalions of Pegasus and Harassers could probably just tear the majority of the world up. I won't mention the aerospace fighter support.

Really the only ace the Dune universe has is the supernatural stuff, with immense psychics and future tellers. That could definitely even things up a little.

Notably I'm talking about the novelized Dune universe. The one from Westwood has at the very least super effective tanks, power armored infantry and some other stuff that might actually serve to slow down CBT forces at the least.