38 replies to this topic

[Slayton]

I bought the XL300 engine, put it in a mech, and when I lose I make almost NO C-bills. It's absolutely terrible. Most of the time I lose C-bills while running the XL engine if I don't win.

I'm running a Jenner mech with 4 lasers and 2 streaks, but my progress in grinding C-bills far too slow to be enjoyable while running with an XL engine.

I farm far better with trial mechs, yet I put myself and my team at a disadvantage by doing so.

In short; please increase C-bills when using non-trial mechs.

Edited by Slayton, 01 December 2012 - 01:16 PM.

[Kobold]

I pug with XLs all the time, and die all the time, and still make money. Not a LOT of money, but some money.

The bigger issue is probably your re-arming cost. Are you firing lots of missiles?

[Slayton]

Kobold, on 01 December 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

I pug with XLs all the time, and die all the time, and still make money. Not a LOT of money, but some money.

The bigger issue is probably your re-arming cost. Are you firing lots of missiles?

I am using up quite a bit of streaks in game. I run with two tons right now of ammo, which I feel to be more than enough for a jenner with only two launchers.

[Lefty Lucy]

Slayton, on 01 December 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I bought the XL300 engine, put it in a mech, and when I lose I make almost NO C-bills. It's absolutely terrible. Most of the time I lose C-bills while running the XL engine if I don't win.

I'm running a Jenner mech with 4 lasers and 2 streaks, but my progress in grinding C-bills far too slow to be enjoyable while running with an XL engine.

I farm far better with trial mechs, yet I put myself and my team at a disadvantage by doing so.

In short; please increase C-bills when using non-trial mechs.

While I agree that it's not very fun not to be able to actually *use* the mech that you spent so much time grinding up for (like, seriously, it feels frustrating), my work-around is to have some non-XL engine mechs in my mechbay that I have fun playing too.

For example, I have a CTF-2X that seems to average about 110k in repair bills. If I were to use this mech every match, I would not really make money.

I also have my HBK-4SP that I can do well in, and has a SFE that I can use when I actually feel like making c-bills.

[QuantumButler]

if you're pugging in a XL mech just never repair items.

[von Pilsner]

I know this is not the answer you would like, but....

In a fast Jenner you should be getting tons of spotting bonus and you can shoot everyone you run by and you will get kill assists as well.

However I am playing on premium time and using VOIP so my experience with the game is probably very different from yours..

[Wizard Steve]

A Jenner with a 300XL is not a CBill-grinding build. Either run something cheaper, turn off auto-repair, or just accept that you like the mech the way it is but grinding CBills is gonna take a little longer.

Edit: Stupid auto-correct.

Edited by Wizard Steve, 01 December 2012 - 01:32 PM.

[LaserAngel]

While I don't not encourage it, you can repair everything but the XL engine manually in the mechlab.

[Slayton]

Alright, thanks for the advice everyone. I'm going to try a few things. I still stand by my opinion that C-bills should be increased for non-trial mechs, but I'm going to see if what you all said helps me turn my game around and keep an open mind about it.

[Kobold]

Wizard Steve, on 01 December 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

A Jenner with a 300XL is not a CBill-grinding build. Either run something cheaper, turn off auto-repair, or just accept that you like the mech the way it is but grinding CBills is gonna take a little longer.

Edit: Stupid auto-correct.

The streaks are the difference between him profiting and loss. My primary money-maker personally is a 300 XL JR7-F because it is my only pure energy mech.

[LaserAngel]

Kobold, on 01 December 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

The streaks are the difference between him profiting and loss. My primary money-maker personally is a 300 XL JR7-F because it is my only pure energy mech.

Pure energy mechs in general are going to make the most C-Bills due to AMS rearms being dirt cheap. My record might be 500 C-Bills for that device. The Jenner, Swayback, and Awesome are what you will be looking at to make the most C-Bills. Still, suiciding in a trial mech is far too effective.

[Slayton]

Kobold, on 01 December 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

The streaks are the difference between him profiting and loss. My primary money-maker personally is a 300 XL JR7-F because it is my only pure energy mech.

Good to know. I'll try running an energy based build and see what happens.

Edit: Incredibly helpful community, again, thanks you guys for being patient with a newbie and his complaints.

Edited by Slayton, 01 December 2012 - 01:42 PM.

[Nathan Xain]

I've noticed this too, so before I adopted my CTF-2X as my usual ride, the 3D and its XL were netting me very little even on a win. Without using premium time I'm only going to use an XL in 1 of maybe 3 matches or more. It was very different with the premium time though.
Using the trial mechs every few games will help you keep some c-bills in the bank.
It might be worth trying out some more cost effective mechs- ammo, endo steel, ferro fibrous armour, double heat sinks are all very expensive to repair compared to the standard versions. If you aren't already, try only using one of them at a time, use lasers where possible instead of ammo dependant weapons. Check out the mech guides- some great info in there about how to avoid huge repair bills.
And as a scout, find the enemy and hit R as fast as possible until you have spotted all of them. Each spot is worth 2000 cbills, as many as a kill.

[LaserAngel]

Frankly, XL engines and Ferro-fibrous armor on the only components that dramatically increase repair costs. One would think Endo Steel would but it does not. It might be bugged on FF armor. I hope that is resolved sooner than later. It is much more effective to take Endo Steel right now.

[Konrad]

I think the rewards are fine as is. I am not using premium time or my founder mechs currently either.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Slayton, on 01 December 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I bought the XL300 engine, put it in a mech, and when I lose I make almost NO C-bills. It's absolutely terrible. Most of the time I lose C-bills while running the XL engine if I don't win.

I'm running a Jenner mech with 4 lasers and 2 streaks, but my progress in grinding C-bills far too slow to be enjoyable while running with an XL engine.

I farm far better with trial mechs, yet I put myself and my team at a disadvantage by doing so.

In short; please increase C-bills when using non-trial mechs.

XL's are expensive... all the "Advanced tech" is,

Look I understand not wanting to be punished for losses and the like. But this thinking is the same thinking that has 2nd grade soccer coaches saying that no one lost.

No, face the reality, you lost, youre ride's in ruins, and you have to repair it, IT IS GOING TO COST YOU MONEY.

In a f2p game you have two choices, spend time gridning in a way you don't really want to. Or Pay money and skip the grind/make the grind tollerable.

That's your choice. Is it exactly right? Maybe not, but that is the reality of F2P.

[Slayton]

Jade Kitsune, on 01 December 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

XL's are expensive... all the "Advanced tech" is,

Look I understand not wanting to be punished for losses and the like. But this thinking is the same thinking that has 2nd grade soccer coaches saying that no one lost.

No, face the reality, you lost, youre ride's in ruins, and you have to repair it, IT IS GOING TO COST YOU MONEY.

In a f2p game you have two choices, spend time gridning in a way you don't really want to. Or Pay money and skip the grind/make the grind tollerable.

That's your choice. Is it exactly right? Maybe not, but that is the reality of F2P.

I don't really agree with this aspect. A game is designed with a "fun" factor in mind. Other F2P games don't normally go out of their way to include a drastic punishment for using good equipment. In fact, that's their incentive to make you spend money is to get to that point sooner. Instead when you have the gear you slow down, and the game loses replay value in that aspect.

Edited by Slayton, 01 December 2012 - 02:05 PM.

[Garrand]

What did you expect when you put an expensive, vulnerable piece of equipment into your mech? Don't want to risk it? Use a standard.

[Scratx]

Good suggestions on the thread. Particularly take note if you're using Ferro-Fibrous armor, that one sucks C-bills away like a vacuum cleaner for little gain. Just don't use it if you want to make c-bills.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Slayton, on 01 December 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

I don't really agree with this aspect. A game is designed with a "fun" factor in mind. Other F2P games don't normally go out of their way to include a drastic punishment for using good equipment. In fact, that's their incentive to make you spend money is to get to that point sooner. Instead when you have the gear you slow down, and the game loses replay value in that aspect.

Champions online has many of the "Archetypes" I wish to play locked as "Pay Only" options.
This means if there's a type of superhero I want to play, I have to grind out HARD on another type of hero before I can own the one I want... OH AND i only get 2 character slots for free.

If I pay, I get access to everything.

DDO makes it so to play other missions I may want to play I have to pay extra.

Battlefield 3 has it's Premium service where as a "normal" player, I'm locked out of access to speciific weapons unless I pay more.

There's 2 F2P examples and 1 Pay to Own and pay for premium example... If you ask me, MWO is easy mode compaired to some games.