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[Voidsinger]

Is anybody else here sick of how the Raven Fans act whenever ECM, and in particular mounting it on another chassis comes up?

"That mech didn't have a canon variant with ECM."
"Doing that would make the Raven obsolete."

Two arguments that seem to come out every time.

Can't they understand, what PGI has done with ECM has taken it far beyond the limits of what was applied in Battletech, and that alone is justification.

Here's another one. They gave every mech C3i capabilities that cannot be shut off. This is what enables all that LRM indirect fire. Do we see every Draconis Combine warrior up in arms (and they have more of a right than the Raven fans).

Guardian ECM should not:
- Interfere with Streaks
- Interfere with non-Artemis IV LRMs
- Have an effect on standard communications or targeting (C3 is blocked).

The moment PGI changed how Guardian worked, it changed the underlying basis of every canon design.

Right now, we lack other designs that carried ECM (I like the Hitman (3055)). We are stuck with what PGI has implemented. We don't even have the 3050 variants of mechs like the Commando, just 4 3025 versions.

Raven fans, your mech has ECM. Don't stuff it up for the rest of us.

[Inviticus]

My ECM Raven still gets blown up by gunfire

[MouseNo4]

Inviticus, on 04 December 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

My ECM Raven still gets blown up by gunfire

Most Raven pilots would get blown away anyway. The game now is whack-a-Raven.

[LionZoo]

MouseNo4, on 04 December 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Most Raven pilots would get blown away anyway. The game now is whack-a-Raven.

(Starts saving up for a Cicada...)

[Rifter]

ravens are so easy to kill i dont see a issue with this(or would be with working netcode and collisions).

However what i do have a issue with is them implememnting ECM into a mech that is right now super buffed by lasgshield and no collisions.

ECM should never have been implemented without the netcode and collsions being fixed.

Edited by Rifter, 04 December 2012 - 08:45 PM.

[LionZoo]

Voidsinger, on 04 December 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Here's another one. They gave every mech C3i capabilities that cannot be shut off. This is what enables all that LRM indirect fire. Do we see every Draconis Combine warrior up in arms (and they have more of a right than the Raven fans).

While I agree with the premise, that ECM is OP in its current implementation, I have to disagree with all Mechs having C3i capabilities. Indirect LRM fire rules existed from close to the very beginning of Battletech.

As I said in another thread, I think PGI intentionallly made ECM stronger than what they foresee the final version to be, just to get a high take rate so they can have more data from users testing in order to chase down bugs. I expect ECM will be nerfed.

[MouseNo4]

Rifter, on 04 December 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

ravens are so easy to kill i dont see a issue with this(or would be with working netcode and collisions).

However what i do have a issue with is them implememnting ECM into a mech that is right now super buffed by lasgshield and no collisions.

ECM should never have been implemented without the netcode and collsions being fixed.

In all fairness Light mechs should not have been added with this horrendous net code. Hopefully they will find a network programmer that can fix it soon. The lag shield isn't a Light mech problem or an ECM problem. It is a MWO net code problem.

[VoltarDark]

I've played 15 games tonight and ECM was very fun, it bring thinking into a great game. I was doing fine in my jenner and hunt raven ecm bearer. The ssrm are longer to lock, yes but its not a facepalm thing anymore. Gratz Dev !!!

[MouseNo4]

VoltarDark, on 04 December 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

I've played 15 games tonight and ECM was very fun, it bring thinking into a great game. I was doing fine in my jenner and hunt raven ecm bearer. The ssrm are longer to lock, yes but its not a facepalm thing anymore. Gratz Dev !!!

Jenner pilot? I hate you.

[Sevaradan]

let the raven be the only ecm mech, I'd be perfectly fine with that it'd mean i wouldn't have to spend weight/slots on ecm on my atlas...

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Hey, I've put up with being subpar to the Jenner for months now. Let me enjoy my moment in the sun before they balance ECM next patch.

[MouseNo4]

Sevaradan, on 04 December 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

let the raven be the only ecm mech, I'd be perfectly fine with that it'd mean i wouldn't have to spend weight/slots on ecm on my atlas...

I personally don't have a problem with it, but I question the reasoning behind putting it on an Atlas. Why?

It already has the command module so why the additional ECM?

[VoltarDark]

MouseNo4, on 04 December 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Jenner pilot? I hate you.

Of my 11 mechs, jenners are one of my favorite ! And i seriously can still do a great job against ECM. Its just a bit harder.
i hope to meet you on the battle field. bye