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[Bianca Flowers]

all depends what you want to do with it.

my $1000 build will be MUCH better than Vulpes's AMD build (sorry, Bulldozer is as bad a chip as Pentium 4D was), and light years better than the core-2-quad that is now 4 generations old.
the alternative is to just upgrade your GPU and overclock your CPU.

[Barbaric Soul]

Bianca Flowers, on 14 May 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

all depends what you want to do with it.

my $1000 build will be MUCH better than Vulpes's AMD build (sorry, Bulldozer is as bad a chip as Pentium 4D was), and light years better than the core-2-quad that is now 4 generations old.
the alternative is to just upgrade your GPU and overclock your CPU.

sorry, I do have to disagree with your post.

Bulldozer IS better than any Pentium D cpu ever made, ALOT better infact. Bulldozer is about equal to Phenom II clock for clock. That puts Bulldozer also about equal to the high-end core2quads(Q9450,Q9550,Q9650) seeing as a 3.2ghz Phenom II was about equal to a 3 ghz C2Q. The only CPUs that can decisively beat Bulldozer are the Core i5 and i7 CPUs, and that is only in programs that use 4 cores or less. The 8 core Bulldozer can outperform my 4c/8t 2600k in applications that use more than 4 threads.

[Skrapheap]

I went a few dollars over on my build, but it should be able to run MWO with ease, and give you a little wiggle room for later upgrades.
Edited: Gimme a sec open office is being a pain.

Edited by Wulffemein, 14 May 2012 - 12:40 PM.

[Skrapheap]

I have a love/hate relationship with Office software lol. Like I said I went a hair over budget, but I think you could make up the difference.
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Edited by Wulffemein, 14 May 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[Bianca Flowers]

Barbaric Soul, on 14 May 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

sorry, I do have to disagree with your post.

Bulldozer IS better than any Pentium D cpu ever made, ALOT better infact. Bulldozer is about equal to Phenom II clock for clock. That puts Bulldozer also about equal to the high-end core2quads(Q9450,Q9550,Q9650) seeing as a 3.2ghz Phenom II was about equal to a 3 ghz C2Q. The only CPUs that can decisively beat Bulldozer are the Core i5 and i7 CPUs, and that is only in programs that use 4 cores or less. The 8 core Bulldozer can outperform my 4c/8t 2600k in applications that use more than 4 threads.

I t6hink you misunderstood my statement. the Pentium D was a bad chip that was blown away by the Athlon 64 X2. The Bulldozer is a bad chip that is blown away by Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge.

[Vulpesveritas]

Bianca Flowers, on 14 May 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

I t6hink you misunderstood my statement. the Pentium D was a bad chip that was blown away by the Athlon 64 X2. The Bulldozer is a bad chip that is blown away by Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge.

In gaming or low threaded apps, and only if you're not comparing price points too, as the $140 FX-4120 beats out all the similarly priced i3's in gaming, albeit using more power. And for 8 threads, the FX-8120 at $160 is a great value, especially if you overclock and multitask and/or do anything heavily multithreaded.

[oohawkoo]

if your not a tech nut you prolly will never notice any difference between them when in use >.>; ,,, tho you certainly will in the wallet =3

its prolly cheaper long run to get an amd chip than an intel >.>.....(well personaly i dont like intel anways =3) prolly cost about half as much for a comparable amd over an intel cpu

for a gameing comp .... mid/high it prolly shouldnt cost more than umm £600 -£1000 (ignoreing monitors of corse) asumeing your not upgrade hd/cd etc

[Catamount]

I'd also have to disagree, Bianca Flowers.

Your build puts too much emphasis on the CPU side of things at the expense of the GPU. Bulldozer is not a bad chip. It's perfectly competent in gaming, and there's no significant advantage to using anything else in gaming, and if games do get more intensive at some point, despite new DirectX versions trying to reduce CPU overhead post-DX9 (successfully in many titles), it'll be by using more cores, not just by sucking up more per-core performance, because there's more headroom available in the former, especially as we start seeing more and more prevalence in 6 and 8 core chips at lower and lower price points, and because that's what we've seen every other sector of software do when it gets CPU-intensive. That's why Bulldozer actually largely blows its Intel contemporaries away outside of gaming; any CPU-intensive software can use 8 cores.


Moreover, not only is an Ivy Bridge chip not going to give any kind of big advantage over Bulldozer in gaming, but Vulpes managed to include a 7970 in that build (quite a nice one, at that). Bulldozer and a 7970 will vastly outperform Ivy Bridge and a 7850 in gaming.

Edited by Catamount, 15 May 2012 - 05:59 AM.