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[Morrey]

Is Anyone Using Ferrous-Fibrous?

I have't really found a good config that uses FF.
It's just too costly for Crit Slots and I've always found Endosteel to be more efficient and Double Heat Sinks to be more important.

Can someone show me a good build and reason to use FF.

Thanks.

Morrey

[Scratx]

Good reasons to use Ferro-Fibrous:

- You already have Endo-Steel, are at max tonnage and have 14 crit slots free ... and you really, really, really must have an extra half ton or so. (maybe a little more in heavier mechs ... at which point I boggle at the idea you might actually have crit slots free) ... oh, and you don't give a crap about c-bills.
- You have more C-Bills than sense.
- You want to throw away lots of C-Bills on armor repairs. (see above for possible cause)
- You want extra weight and haven't realised Endo-Steel is always better in every way no matter the mech.
- You want to play with an handicap (assuming you haven't installed Endo-Steel).


I'm not trolling.

[TruePoindexter]

All of my Cicada's are. They have tons of room and not a lot to mount on them.

[Asmosis]

I use it on my Jenner.

Endo, FF, 15 DHS, 6 ML's and near max armor with a XL 300 engine.

Could possibly see it being useful on a cicda *maybe* but if your using more than 8 crit slots on weaponry its not worth it.

[mrDUDE]

I've been running Jenners with ENDO, FF, and DHS lately.
Haven't tried stuffing in an XL yet though.

[TruePoindexter]

Here's the exact build of my 6 ML Cicada. Heavy armor, max engine, and fairly heat efficient. You can't alpha all 6ML all the time but you can keep up an insane fire rate and your armor lets you go toe to toe with a Jenner and win.

Spoiler

Chassis Name: Cicada
Model Name: CDA-2A
Variant Name: 6 ML

Engine Cost: 1,360,000 C-Bills
Heat Sink Cost: 10,000 C-Bills
Armor Cost: 80,128 C-Bills
Weapons Cost: 480,000 C-Bills
Equipment Cost: 0 C-Bills
Ammo Cost: 0 C-Bills

Engine: 340 XL Engine
Internal Type: Endo Steel
Armor Type: Ferro Fibrous
Heat Sinks: 15 (13) Double Heat Sinks

Tonnage: 39.97
Speed: 137.7 kph
Armor Total: 232
Alpha Strike Damage: 30.00
Alpha Strike Heat: 24.00
Firepower: 7.50 dps
Heat Efficiency: 35.00%
Effective Range of Loadout: 270m

Head: 18/18
Right Torso: 34/40
Right Rear Torso: 6/40
Center Torso: 36/48
Center Rear Torso: 12/48
Left Torso: 34/40
Left Rear Torso: 6/40
Right Arm: 3/24
Left Arm: 3/24
Right Leg: 40/40
Left Leg: 40/40

Weapons Locations
Right Torso:
(2) Medium Laser
Left Torso:
(2) Medium Laser
Center Torso:
(2) Medium Laser

Heat Sink Locations
Right Torso: 1

Left Torso: 1


Equipment Locations

Ammo Locations

EDIT: To those saying DHS should be at a flat 2.0 this would make this mech 50% heat efficient (instead of 35%) and it would be able to alpha all 6 ML frequently.

Edited by TruePoindexter, 03 December 2012 - 04:37 PM.

[Orkhepaj]

yes i use it on my bicycle, and hamster wheel

[Diablobo]

It is mandatory equipment on the next hero mech:
The Herpaderp.

The pilots that can't do math just love it. Endo steel is for nerds who think that extra tonnage is a good thing.

[Tickdoff Tank]

I used it. I was looking at the upgrades and I accidentally added FF armor in addition to ES. Once I realized what I did (in the lab) I promptly removed it.

[TruePoindexter]

If you guys don't have anything valuable to contribute at least try to be funny.

FF is a weight saving upgrade for when you have exhausted all other options. Scouts will often already have XL/ES/DHS and still have room to spare. Mounting FF may only save .25 tons but that's .25 tons more armor that can be mounted (assuming they're not already at cap).

Edited by TruePoindexter, 03 December 2012 - 04:54 PM.

[Skyfaller]

14 crit slots for 12% better armor? LOL. Lets see....

avg ct armor on a heavy is 50'ish. 12% of that is 6.

zoiks. you paid 14 crit slots and a much higher repair bill...

...to survive one more medium pulse laser hit.

uhh..no. not worth it.

[JimSuperBleeder]

I have one mech with it but the rest run endo. The mech that does have it is old and more or less the way I want it so no reason to spend money to swap them out.

[Tempered]

Fero fibrous can often mean the difference between adding AMS or not adding it on a light mech. Yes I know you don't save enough weight with just the FF, but it gives you just enough so that you don't mind dropping a bit of armor or a weapon to squeeze in that ams.

[Like a Sir]

Skyfaller, on 03 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

14 crit slots for 12% better armor? LOL. Lets see....

avg ct armor on a heavy is 50'ish. 12% of that is 6.

zoiks. you paid 14 crit slots and a much higher repair bill...

...to survive one more medium pulse laser hit.

uhh..no. not worth it.

Except it doesn't work like that... It just saves you weight because you can still only put 100/100 on let's say an AWS CT, it does't raise your armor cap to 114, it just gives you more armor points per ton, when you look at it in the mech lab, which in turn saves you weight... less weight then endo steel saves. It also costs more to fix, since armor is the first to go, and not the internal structure.

The way it stands right now, it is only ok on the mechs, that can use both, as the second poster pointed out.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Only on my commando to gain .5 tons (woo baby).

Problem now is, that my repair bill went from 15-20k to 50-60k.

They need to fix the FF repair costs.

[Jman5]

My cicada has it, but that's because I have a ton of free crit slots even after endo steel and DHS, so why not. I don't really care about money at this point. I can buy whatever I want. However, any way I look at it, FF upgrade should be the last upgrade you consider when trying to save weight.

Edited by Jman5, 03 December 2012 - 05:08 PM.

[The Bad Charlie]

From what i read somewhere, ferro is used on TT because its much easier technically to replace a mechs armour rather than his skeleton. So, its expected to be of less practical use here...

[TruePoindexter]

The Bad Charlie, on 03 December 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

From what i read somewhere, ferro is used on TT because its much easier technically to replace a mechs armour rather than his skeleton. So, its expected to be of less practical use here...

In TT Endo Steel is manufactured in space and is both rare and expensive to acquire. Also in TT many mechs are under armored by a fair amount allowing FF to have a great impact.

In MWO almost all mechs are maxed out on armor and everyone can afford/acquire ES so that becomes the better choice in most situations.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

The Bad Charlie, on 03 December 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

From what i read somewhere, ferro is used on TT because its much easier technically to replace a mechs armour rather than his skeleton. So, its expected to be of less practical use here...

It should also be cheaper to repair because of that reason, too.

[TruePoindexter]

mwhighlander, on 03 December 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

It should also be cheaper to repair because of that reason, too.

It should be but there is some kind of skew in the economy that guarantees armor is always more expensive than structure. Almost every mech of mine has ES and yet I've rarely seen structure repairs exceed 10k.