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[Avin]

I drive lights a lot and I'm acutely aware of just how easily I can get in peoples way at high speed. You can quite often make a pass close to the front of a friendly Atlas without any concerns as all his firepower is mounted quite high compared to you (yet another advantage of the Commando) but almost every other Mech you should be slamming on the brakes, jumping over or just looping around to avoid their firing solutions.


The best way I've found to handle it is to think of all friendlies as enemies you don't want to shoot at. You still need to avoid their fire and make it hard for them to hit you.

[TruePoindexter]

stjobe, on 10 December 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

A 'mech doesn't stop on a dime. If you fire those big blue beams into a space I will be occupying in the next second or so there's no way I can avoid being shot - especially if you're out of my field of vision.

The proper response is to yank your big blue beams up and away from your team-mate, not to shrug your shoulders and convince yourself it's not your fault.

I'm not saying there's no situation where there's unavoidable team damage; there is. Sometimes people run into LRMs you've fired several seconds before. There's no way to avoid that. But there's a lot of very common situations where the firer could have avoided it, and your big blue beams sound like just such a situation.

Inertia does keep them from stopping but usually they are running parallel to my firing line and then once I've actually started firing they turn into it. They can see the beam before the start turning. It confuses me.

[Dirk Le Daring]

stjobe, on 10 December 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

The proper response is to yank your big blue beams up and away from your team-mate, not to shrug your shoulders and convince yourself it's not your fault.

This is what I find myself doing fairly often. Gotta be prepared to shift your fire.

[TruePoindexter]

Dirk Le Daring, on 10 December 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

This is what I find myself doing fairly often. Gotta be prepared to shift your fire.

Do this often but if they have a slow ping they've already walked into it.

[stjobe]

TruePoindexter, on 10 December 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Inertia does keep them from stopping but usually they are running parallel to my firing line and then once I've actually started firing they turn into it. They can see the beam before the start turning. It confuses me.

In that case, you're right. It's not your fault. But perhaps you should move your beams anyway.

Dirk Le Daring, on 10 December 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

This is what I find myself doing fairly often. Gotta be prepared to shift your fire.

I do this constantly, and I sure wish more people would. I swear that some games I take more damage from my team-mates than from the enemy.

Edited by stjobe, 10 December 2012 - 03:56 PM.

[Scrawny Cowboy]

How about when you're in close quarters with an enemy and your LRM boat team mate decides to open up despite your mech being in the flight path of the missles?

[Omni Tek]

Way I see it if I'm shooting and someone runs into my line of fire it's their problem not mine.

[soarra]

i think they have to be careful how they implement this. Im in mid alpha strike and some ****** runs in front i shouldnt have to get penalized.

[stjobe]

Omni Tek, on 10 December 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Way I see it if I'm shooting and someone runs into my line of fire it's their problem not mine.

It will be soon, when the game starts making you pay their repair bills.

soarra, on 10 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

i think they have to be careful how they implement this. Im in mid alpha strike and some ****** runs in front i shouldnt have to get penalized.

If you're able to see them run into your line of fire, they're likely not able to see you firing; so lift your finger off the trigger and pull your cross-hairs off your team-mate. If some missiles/shells still hit, that might be unavoidable, but there's no excuse for keeping on firing when your team-mate is between you and your target.

[xenoglyph]

stjobe, on 10 December 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

People will have to start watching their fire soon...

From Ask the Devs 28: Answers!:

I wouldn't worry too much, I think PGI's definition of "very soon" is in the 2-3 month range.

[Terror Teddy]

1. Friendly fire is something that happens in war, it's unfortunate but it happens.
2. **** happens - see 1 for further details.

[CDLord HHGD]

stjobe, on 10 December 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

People will have to start watching their fire soon...

From Ask the Devs 28: Answers!:

There should be a penalty then to the f*cktards who walk in front of my ac20 then. I will spam them with support tickets if they penalize me for some other ***** walking in front of me. Sometimes it happens, but 90% of the time, it's their fault.

This is in PUG matches only though. When i'm dropping 8v8 with my unit, I don't seem to have this problem .

EDIT: Clarification.

Edited by cdlord, 11 December 2012 - 05:25 AM.

[Dagger6T6]

[Gregore]

The issue is, why does the second shot go straight through the mech? it should still hit the mech and do additional damage to the internals.

[xenoglyph]

Gregore, on 11 December 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

The issue is, why does the second shot go straight through the mech? it should still hit the mech and do additional damage to the internals.

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[vettie]

I have seen this happen

I noticed (more so recently) that (example) my AC20 shot destroyed enemy mech and continued on 'through' to the rocks behind him.

On Forest Colony, I went around the corner near the cave and shot at an enemy Hunchback from my YLW AC20. I hit and destroyed the hunchie, but the round continued and hit the friendly (one of my buds on comms) and destroyed his right arm. At the time, we were the ONLY 3 mechs in that area. The Hunch was focused on me, so my shot had to be the one that damaged my team mate.

This type of damage or possible kill is different from those that step in front of you to finish off an enemy, or to work on an enemy. People either dont care about stepping in front of friendly fire because they would only suffer some damage or a kill and not have a penalty, or are just not aware they are putting themselves in the line of fire.

Some just want the kill shot. They will stand by very close and not even fire until the enemy is dangerously close to being destroyed, then run in front and 'get the kill shot'. If they get damaged or destroyed, well too bad.

[Faithsfall]

Had a odd one on forest colony, me and a cat shooting at a jenner, killed said jenner and i turned my back to my Tm it suddenly said that i had killed the cat somehow with my back to him, i then moved forward with the rest of the enemy the other side of the map when my arm suddenly blew with no incomming fire.

[SwordofLight]

You know, its funny, my post previous to this one trashed World of Tanks - but one very, very, very important thing I learned from that game - pass behind, not in front - that is to say, duh, pass on the side the cannon isnt pointing. So damn many times I've got my zoom on the bad, and some noob rolls right into my sights the moment I pull the trigger. Team kill. Oy.

And folks just dont pay attention to it in this game - I'm dueling with a Cat, and a friendly Cent walks right in front of me, takes a pair of LB10X full to the rear torso. Because folks dont think where they are - and part of it is because the collision rules arent really implemented yet, and you can just walk where every you feel.

However, the majority of my friendly fire kills have been with my Commando. The reason often is, I'm in a circling duel with another light, I let go with my Streak - the missles curve to track, and hit a friendly on the way. Because these duels are often at cap, everyone is torn up, and thats the worst time to get hit with SRMs.

It is, however, less at fault here because you really get tunnel vision when fighting in the mech - unless you have a lot more situaltional awareness than is typicallly required in these sorts of games, its easy to march into someone's line of fire simply because you're more intent on killing than thinking where everyone is.

-Don

Edited by SwordofLight, 11 December 2012 - 09:25 AM.

[Penance]

Edited by Penance, 11 December 2012 - 09:26 AM.

[Aidan Malchor]

Dagger6T6, on 11 December 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

I was surprised it took this many post before someone did this.

If your careless enough to walk in front of me while firing, then yeah you better give Kenny Loggins a call.

I have no problem damaging or killing morons who do this. Their repair from it from be higher then mine so meh. Might as well help out the Darwin process right!