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[Teralitha]

Its all happening just as I predicted. The game is devolving into nothing more than baserush online. When will they learn...

[QuantumButler]

Teralitha, on 13 December 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

Its all happening just as I predicted. The game is devolving into nothing more than baserush online. When will they learn...

It's particularly funny because this concern has been brought up many many times on these forums back in August in Closed Beta, and nothing has been done to adress them. except of course the new conquest game mode that's been delayed twice now [it was originally supposed to hit sometime in SEPTEMBER, along with some kind of "advanced assault" mode, of which there is no longer any mention, ditto the "dropship mutator"]

Edited by QuantumButler, 13 December 2012 - 05:56 AM.

[Stone Wall]

What's really funny is "Capture the Base" won't be the only mode in Final Release.

[QuantumButler]

Stone Wall, on 13 December 2012 - 05:56 AM, said:

What's really funny is "Capture the Base" won't be the only mode in Final Release.

What's really funny is final release is still many, many months off and we've had capture the red square for so long everyone is just tired of it.

[Jadel Blade]

Stone Wall, on 13 December 2012 - 05:56 AM, said:

What's really funny is "Capture the Base" won't be the only mode in Final Release.

How is that funny? Its sad more than anything. Why has it taken so long to add another game mode? And the next one is Assault? If its like the Missile assault mode in ******* then maybe it will be ok.

[Armorpiercer M82]

we need maps with random base positioning. then it will be hell of fun.

but is PGI capable of this feature in next 3-5 months timeframe ?

[xRaeder]

QuantumButler, on 13 December 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

And yet many merc units will defend it to the death for some reason.

Sorry. 8 man or even 4 man pre-mades are not the majority of the player base. That would be like saying if the Yankees do something it means it applies to the Braves.

Besides. You can convince people on voice to do a lot of things that don't come naturally to PUGs.

It is bad map design and anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

[QuantumButler]

xRaeder, on 13 December 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

Sorry. 8 man or even 4 man pre-mades are not the majority of the player base. That would be like saying if the Yankees do something it means it applies to the Braves.

Besides. You can convince people on voice to do a lot of things that don't come naturally to PUGs.

It is bad map design and anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

It's a combination of bad map and game mode design,

[Aym]

Bad Karma 308, on 13 December 2012 - 03:22 AM, said:

I just posted on the forum about a couple of base races

What an ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING waste of time!


There I vented....I feel a bit better.....gonna go grab an Ashton, pour some bourbon and sit in the corner sulking.....

Fixed your post, but I agree, posting this was an absolutley disgusting waste of time ;-)
As for the Ashton and bourbon, nice taste! What bourbon?

Edited by Aym, 13 December 2012 - 06:33 AM.

[Kain]

Jadel Blade, on 13 December 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

How is that funny? Its sad more than anything. Why has it taken so long to add another game mode? And the next one is Assault? If its like the Missile assault mode in ******* then maybe it will be ok.

the current gamemode is Assault...

the next one will be Conquest, it will probably be about capturing multiple bases, the more bases you control the faster the main capture bar of the enemy will drain..

nevertheless, it is indeed a bit scarce to just have 4 maps and 1 gamemode in Open Beta, but alas, patience is everything

[Teralitha]

Armorpiercer M82, on 13 December 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

we need maps with random base positioning. then it will be hell of fun.

but is PGI capable of this feature in next 3-5 months timeframe ?

Wow... you know, this would actually be really fun to play... Have really huge maps, with several RANDOM possible base starting points. Now that would really be fun. Would really give a whole new meaning to being a scout.

[Penance]

Bad Karma 308, on 13 December 2012 - 03:22 AM, said:

I just played 6 games back to back. 4 of those rounds were nothing but base rush.... during 2 of those 4 not a single shot was exchanged.

nor a single @#$% given.

Sorry. couldn't resist.

Base rushes happen. get used to it.

[Joseph Mallan]

xRaeder, on 13 December 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

Sorry. 8 man or even 4 man pre-mades are not the majority of the player base. That would be like saying if the Yankees do something it means it applies to the Braves.

Besides. You can convince people on voice to do a lot of things that don't come naturally to PUGs.

It is bad map design and anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

Or have a background in... I don't know, following orders? Primary objective is to capture the base, to do so I have to go to the base. Fight the force defending it and hold it till the timer runs out (reinforcements come, files are downloaded etc wotevah). If the enemy isn't there to fight, I save ammo and armor. A bonus at repair time. So if you are so hell bent on fighting and you know the OpFor is 80% likely to try to rush your base. Why not try something sneaky like set an ambush and attack the enemy AT YOUR BASE!!!

An amazing thing will happen, they will get to rush your base, and YOU WILL GET TO FIGHT THEM!!!

Amazing how strategy* works.

*

Quote

1a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war
(2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions
b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy

2
a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem
b: the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 13 December 2012 - 06:41 AM.

[Sevaradan]

Sean von Steinike, on 13 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Had you defended your base, you could have had plenty of shooting.

pretty much.

[Viper69]

Then wait near your base for the inevitable rush? I mean if the law of averages is telling you its going to happen, wait for it, crush it and then win. They are only capping because nobody is stopping them.

[Sprouticus]

Staplebeater, on 13 December 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

A lot of the 8 mans degrade into either ECM brawls or base rushes. Part of the current meta is to make the other team make a decision between losing their base and turning around to defend it more closely. If they turn around you hit them from behind. IF they don't you cap them

This. In 8 mans right now it boils down to speed, position, and scouting. If you have more mobility than them, you can choose to engage or not. If your scouts beat their scouts you can force the team to guard their base. If they extend themselves you can hit the base and either cap or hit them from behind when they fall back to defend.

[Bad Karma 308]

Aym, on 13 December 2012 - 06:33 AM, said:

As for the Ashton and bourbon, nice taste! What bourbon?

Working my way through the last couple bottles of some Pappy Van Winkle 23yr old. When that's done I've got a case of Aberlour 15yr that need attention. If this game stays trending down at this rate this I may have to think about restocking my cellar within the next 6 months........lol


Should we ever meet, first rounds on me.....

[Armorpiercer M82]

Teralitha, on 13 December 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Wow... you know, this would actually be really fun to play... Have really huge maps, with several RANDOM possible base starting points. Now that would really be fun. Would really give a whole new meaning to being a scout.

It will boost whole game to new level.
cause then you dont know where is the enemy....which way you should go.... Now its spawn, going tunnel , rush/cap base or spawn, going tunnel, massacre everything in the tunnel, last mech going cap.
Zero flexibility atm.

[xRaeder]

Joseph Mallan, on 13 December 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

Or have a background in... I don't know, following orders? Primary objective is to capture the base, to do so I have to go to the base. Fight the force defending it and hold it till the timer runs out (reinforcements come, files are downloaded etc wotevah). If the enemy isn't there to fight, I save ammo and armor. A bonus at repair time. So if you are so hell bent on fighting and you know the OpFor is 80% likely to try to rush your base. Why not try something sneaky like set an ambush and attack the enemy AT YOUR BASE!!!

An amazing thing will happen, they will get to rush your base, and YOU WILL GET TO FIGHT THEM!!!

Amazing how strategy* works.

*

You've missed the point. If it is possible for the two teams to completely bypass each other and then one team can win without firing a shot that is BAD PvP design.

What you tell your team to do doesn't matter at all. The design itself is what matters, not what a chaotic agent, such as players, may or may not do.

[Clubs]

I'm not sure how well conquest mode will work out on the existing tiny maps.