16 replies to this topic

[ReD3y3]

TAG should work even if you are in the enemy ECM bubble.

THANKS!

[BlackSquirrel]

Except that ECM disrupts communications from your mech to others inside the bubble.

Wonky idea but it works more like you target the mech the laser info comes back to your mech then you relay the position to others. Rather than say missiles picking up on the laser and being guided directly to it.

[The Cheese]

I thought it was more that the TAG was some kind of magic laser that's somehow different from weaponised lasers.

[Thorqemada]

Imho TAG is a laser that lights up a target and makes specific weapons homing in onto the lightened up spot hitting the target.
ECM interferes imho with electronic target/communication systems, not with visual ones - so how can ECM disrupt TAG?

Edited by Thorqemada, 13 December 2012 - 05:32 PM.

[Steel Will]

I'm inclined to agree, both on a practical level and in the interest of balance.

[Solis Obscuri]

The Cheese, on 13 December 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

I thought it was more that the TAG was some kind of magic laser that's somehow different from weaponised lasers.

It's a magical laser the magical invisibility field stops inside-out but not outside-in.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Tag works outside the ECM bubble. like BlackSquirrel said, the TAG laser is communicated to your teammates from within the mech where the TAG information is processed and then distributed. If the mech distributing the TAG info is inside of ECM, then obviously that information is going to get scrambled.

Doesn't make much sense that just because you shoot a laser pointer at a mech that the missiles are going to understand what that means without having the mech using the tag transmitting the information. With that understanding all LRM's are useless since it wouldn't matter who was firing a TAG, missiles would just randomly split off and follow red dots all day. friendly or unfrieldly lrms and tag.

[Elddric]

Tag is,two,fold.. for team and for self. Cary tag and you can lock on for both outside the bubble. Inside it still works for yourself.

[ReD3y3]

Elddric, on 13 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Tag is,two,fold.. for team and for self. Cary tag and you can lock on for both outside the bubble. Inside it still works for yourself.

this is incorrect

If you are inside of the bubble your tag does not work, not even for yourself

[Thorqemada]

I carry a Tag on my CN9-AL for my 2x SSRM to get a lock on Lights but you cant lock on on many ECM carrying/slaving Mechs and only have the weak Lasers (and i speak from a 1x LL and 2x MPL and you need hours to bring down a Light...its easier to kill an Assault).

The CN9-A is officially useless by now bcs you have to halve your already weak Laser-firepower to carry a TAG for missiles that only lock in 30% of the time while wearing a big AC that never hits anything fast moving close to you and slowing you down so much you be nothing but dead meat to even the weakest scout while it circles against every realistic physical behavior around you with a speed that is faster than your turn on the spot speed.

Sure, i could buy myself an Cataphract and stuff it with U/AC5 and chainfire them, but thats not my style of play.

Fundamentally i have a sympathie for the Lights but in this game i have developed a hate.

Happy Holidays - time to ignite as many Christmas-Lights as possible!

[ReD3y3]

If they make tag a direct counter to ECM, then I think the rock paper scissors gets really intersting.

[yashmack]

I just carry 2 SRM4 on my cent now
Im probly going to change to a SSRM and an SRM6 now, if I can free up a critical slot

[Kyone Akashi]

MoonUnitBeta, on 13 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Doesn't make much sense that just because you shoot a laser pointer at a mech that the missiles are going to understand what that means without having the mech using the tag transmitting the information.

No, they don't. All smart missiles are guided by the 'Mech that shoots them, and TAG is merely a means to augmenting this data.

This is canon: http://www.sarna.net...cquisition_Gear

In essence, the ECM bubble interferes with the stream of information between launcher and projectile. I suppose it is both a matter of efficiency (this way, you will not need "special" missiles) as well as perhaps the result of loss of knowledge.

Edited by Kyone Akashi, 14 December 2012 - 04:17 AM.

[deadeye mcduck]

Don't worry, come next patch TAG will be 750m. My Stalker+Artemis+TAG is going to be a world of hurt for the enemy

[Satan n stuff]

"Fixing" something by making it's counter OP is not the way to balance a game.

[ReD3y3]

You have to have LOS of your target AND hold the laser on them to get a lock.

How is that OP ?

You are WORKING for the lock... not just getting one because the enemy is within 1000k of you.

[Felicitatem Parco]

TAG works to make an Enemy Mech within the ECM bubble visible to the team for them to lock-onto. TAG works on Mechs that are inside their team's ECM bubble. You cannot lock onto enemy Mechs while you are inside an enemy ECM bubble. This has nothing to do with TAG.

If you would like to sugeest to the Developers that you should have the ability to lock-onto an enemry Mech that is TAG'd while you, yourself, are inside the enemy ECM bubble, then that's a different story. That kind of a suggestion would go great in the Suggestions forums, or even the ECM feedback thread for this patch cycle. It's your call, but since the OP of this thread has been addressed, it will be closed.

Again, if you have patch-specific ECM feedback, it can go in the ECM feedback thread, and novel suggestions to the developers should go in the Suggestions section of the MW:O forums. Thanks.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 14 December 2012 - 09:49 AM.