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[Codejack]

OK, I was trying to be polite about it, but every thread trying to find common ground gets spammed into oblivion by people flat out lying about the state of the game so they can keep their shiny new toy. I like the idea of ECM, but this is just stupid.

Enough.

Obviously, we are staking out initial positions in the debate as to how much to lessen the effects of ECM, so here is my position:

Remove it entirely.

Start over from scratch and come up with a completely new system, because this one is ruining your game, and before anyone screams, "It's Beta!" people are choosing whether or not to spend money on this game based on its current state, and right now, most of us are looking to put our cash elsewhere.

Remove it entirely, nerf it into oblivion along with everything else, or see the game die.

[FoxesTrot]

BAHAHAHAH.
Nah, it totally works.

[Blitz Krieg]

As an LRM boat who top scores 50% of the rounds im in, I dont get what the issue with ECM is.

It stops me top scoring 75% of rounds

[Jalak Bali]

Also remove LRMs and streaks.

Oh, and also Gauss rifles. And AC20s.

Heck, just remove everything except machine guns and flamers.

[Joseph Mallan]

You know enemy forces want the US to stop bringing Abrams to the battlefields...

You don't see that happening!

Yes it's a game, but thats not quite completely true. Cause its a COMBAT game. and combat ain't always fair!

[Darionik]

Jalak Bali, on 14 December 2012 - 05:57 AM, said:

Also remove LRMs and streaks.

Oh, and also Gauss rifles. And AC20s.

Heck, just remove everything except machine guns and flamers.

ahahahahaahahah remove also machine gut, the need to many aim to be used, is not fair to have it in the game!

Edited by Darionik, 14 December 2012 - 06:00 AM.

[FoxesTrot]

A longer answer is:
ECM is a game changer, it stops LRMs from dominating from >1km and promotes teamplay, let me repeat that one: PROMOTES TEAMPLAY. Now there is a reason for PUG lances to stick together, leave that little bubble and get blown to hell from the (now less existent) LRM boats that plagued this game for so long.

Also I do not own a ECM chassis and i don't plan to. I see this as a fantastic mechanic that encourages you to think a little about how you play. and that is the whole reason I personally play MWO. It's not a mindless FPS.

[Stone Wall]

the latest poll shows 70% don't want ECM disabled

[BloodyDziq]

FoxesTrot, on 14 December 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

A longer answer is:
ECM is a game changer, it stops LRMs from dominating from >1km and promotes teamplay, let me repeat that one: PROMOTES TEAMPLAY. Now there is a reason for PUG lances to stick together, leave that little bubble and get blown to hell from the (now less existent) LRM boats that plagued this game for so long.

Also I do not own a ECM chassis and i don't plan to. I see this as a fantastic mechanic that encourages you to think a little about how you play. and that is the whole reason I personally play MWO. It's not a mindless FPS.

you are right, but at current state team with more ECM mechs will most likely win. Period.

[stjobe]

My stats are just about the same post-ECM as pre-ECM, and I've been playing mostly Centurions after the patch. I can honestly say it hasn't had a negative impact on my game experience, quite the contrary. The game is more complex now, and more fun.

I still get killed by LRMs and Streaks from time to time, so ECM can't be the missile-killer some say.

Besides, taking it out would accomplish nothing. We'd just throw away a fair bit of development for no good reason.

[I C Wiener]

FoxesTrot, on 14 December 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

A longer answer is:
ECM is a game changer, it stops LRMs from dominating from >1km and promotes teamplay

Could you please tell me, when exactly LRM's worked over more than one kilometer?

Stone Wall, on 14 December 2012 - 06:02 AM, said:

the latest poll shows 70% don't want ECM disabled

One reason could be that a lot of people who don't like ECM already stopped reading the forum...

ECM in combination with a ping over 150 (as it is for a lot of people playing from Europe) is a really frustrating combination imo.

[Joseph Mallan]

FoxesTrot, on 14 December 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

A longer answer is:
ECM is a game changer, it stops LRMs from dominating from >1km and promotes teamplay, let me repeat that one: PROMOTES TEAMPLAY. Now there is a reason for PUG lances to stick together, leave that little bubble and get blown to hell from the (now less existent) LRM boats that plagued this game for so long.

Also I do not own a ECM chassis and i don't plan to. I see this as a fantastic mechanic that encourages you to think a little about how you play. and that is the whole reason I personally play MWO. It's not a mindless FPS.

love how this is a problem in a combat game! I killed you at long range so you can't have a chance to kill me in close. The game is now a plague of only brawlers removing a time honored combat staple from the game.

[Smudge504]

Do you by any chance run a LRM or streak boat? are you now upset that you can't point click win every game? boo hoo... some of us like ECM the way it is and the fact it neuters streak cats and makes you actually have to think about what approach to take in a battle.

[Kaldor]

I like ECM as a mechanic, but I dislike the fact the only counter is another ECM. The other issue is the actual implementation as it is actually 2-3 pieces of gear rolled up into 1.

They need to offer counters using items in game (TAG, BAP) that reliably counter ECM. There has been numerous threads on changes that could be made. For right now, its either quit, run ECM, or work together closely and focus fire the ECM mechs.

[SmoothCriminal]

I C Wiener, on 14 December 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

Could you please tell me, when exactly LRM's worked over more than one kilometer?



One reason could be that a lot of people who don't like ECM already stopped reading the forum...

ECM in combination with a ping over 150 (as it is for a lot of people playing from Europe) is a really frustrating combination imo.

well then your problem lies in the netcode, not the ECM mechanic itself. In which case i wholeheartedly agree. Nothing more frightening than a well equipped 3L at the moment.

[Blitz Krieg]

Smudge504, on 14 December 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

Do you by any chance run a LRM or streak boat? are you now upset that you can't point click win every game? boo hoo... some of us like ECM the way it is and the fact it neuters streak cats and makes you actually have to think about what approach to take in a battle.

Even with ECM my LRM boat still does a bucket load of damage. ECM make it interesting as i have to reply on good scouts or dumb enemies.

[Gristle]

Played an 8 man last night and got positively LRM owned by a team running 4 ECM/TAG Ravens and 4 ALRM heavy Assaults / Heavies.

Edited by Gristle, 14 December 2012 - 06:58 AM.

[mailin]

I generally run a Raven or Commando with ECM currently and one change that I would like to see deals with matchmaking. It would be great if the game would pair up sides with comparable numbers of ECMs. It is really frustrating joining a PUG match and the other side has no ECm, but ours has 2 or more. Simply put, unless we make terrible mistakes, the other side has no chance.

[Joseph Mallan]

Smudge504, on 14 December 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

Do you by any chance run a LRM or streak boat? are you now upset that you can't point click win every game? boo hoo... some of us like ECM the way it is and the fact it neuters streak cats and makes you actually have to think about what approach to take in a battle.

No I used to run them as I had frame rate issues. I am however a former 0311 Infantry Marine retired professional killer. I learned about the Layers of a battle and overlapping fields of fire. I was a Rifleman, Grenadier(direct/indirect fire weapon), S.A.W. gunner & a Fireteam leader. If you aren't using every weapon available to you on a battlefield you are destined to lose to someone who IS using them all. but go ahead and keep thinking you got 'skillz' cause you can brawl.

[Vassago Rain]

No.