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[Kain]

Adrienne Vorton, on 14 December 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

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we already have enough to speculate, and we know it is in the works for the first quater/ half of 2013...

Speculation is happening a lot when there are no answers to the community questions.

But just to speculate: CW is pushed backwards at least until the Clan Invasion (Cw is also not mentioned anymore on the website.), because they need their resources and manpower to implement the core gamemodes, fix the important gameplay issues, design the mechs etc.

And don't get me wrong, that is also the right thing to do, they need to create a stable working game before implementing huge changes/updates (what CW obviously is.)

But it would be nice if they made their plans more transparant, so people can get more excited about their plans (and stop whining and QQ)

[Billygoat]

I reckon... CW is probably not coming.

At least not any time soon and certainly not in the "90 days from Open Beta" timeframe they were tossing about during Closed Beta. They've just been a bit too circumspect about it lately. Pre-Open Beta, they were hawking it as the major draw of the game moving forward and seemed very excited about it, but now more-or-less all references to it are gone and they are acting like they're Games Workshop and some guy at a con just asked about Squats (cookies to anybody who gets that reference )

I suspect the publisher has put the kibosh on the idea and instructed PGI to try turning the game into a workable instant-action game with a cash shop (à la Hawken) and make the best of it. Happy to be proven wrong though.

[Rifter]

Billygoat, on 14 December 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

I reckon... CW is probably not coming.

At least not any time soon and certainly not in the "90 days from Open Beta" timeframe they were tossing about during Closed Beta. They've just been a bit too circumspect about it lately. Pre-Open Beta, they were hawking it as the major draw of the game moving forward and seemed very excited about it, but now more-or-less all references to it are gone and they are acting like they're Games Workshop and some guy at a con just asked about Squats (cookies to anybody who gets that reference )

I suspect the publisher has put the kibosh on the idea and instructed PGI to try turning the game into a workable instant-action game with a cash shop (à la Hawken) and make the best of it. Happy to be proven wrong though.

I dont think this is possible, it was a heavily advertised feature both on the official site and in the PC gamer article all through closed beta.

I know i for one only supported and bought into founders because of CW. If i wanted a deathmatch robot game i would have went with hawken.

I believe if they try and pull CW from the game now then all the founders would have a open and closed class action lawsuit case going in no time to get there money back because at that point it would fall into the bait and switch catagory.

[Lonestar1771]

Billygoat, on 14 December 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

I reckon... CW is probably not coming.

At least not any time soon and certainly not in the "90 days from Open Beta" timeframe they were tossing about during Closed Beta. They've just been a bit too circumspect about it lately. Pre-Open Beta, they were hawking it as the major draw of the game moving forward and seemed very excited about it, but now more-or-less all references to it are gone and they are acting like they're Games Workshop and some guy at a con just asked about Squats (cookies to anybody who gets that reference )

I suspect the publisher has put the kibosh on the idea and instructed PGI to try turning the game into a workable instant-action game with a cash shop (à la Hawken) and make the best of it. Happy to be proven wrong though.

God I hope you are wrong on the last part. PGI would certainly have trouble keeping the doors open since no one who knows anything about games would ever purchase them again and IGP would milk MWT even harder making that game even more of a money grab.

[Rifter]

Lonestar1771, on 14 December 2012 - 02:50 AM, said:

God I hope you are wrong on the last part. PGI would certainly have trouble keeping the doors open since no one who knows anything about games would ever purchase them again and IGP would milk MWT even harder making that game even more of a money grab.

Like i said in my reply right above yours i dont think cutting it is an option at this point after using it to hawk founders packs, people would be asking for refunds left right and center, and entitled to them IMO due to bait and switch.

[Lonestar1771]

Rifter, on 14 December 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

Like i said in my reply right above yours i dont think cutting it is an option at this point after using it to hawk founders packs, people would be asking for refunds left right and center, and entitled to them IMO due to bait and switch.

The problem with that is the Founder's packs did not include CW as part of the purchase, basically we wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

[Rifter]

Lonestar1771, on 14 December 2012 - 02:56 AM, said:

The problem with that is the Founder's packs did not include CW as part of the purchase, basically we wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Perhaps this is true legally, but thats one hell of a low blow from PGI either way if that is the case and they do cut CW.

[Lonestar1771]

Rifter, on 14 December 2012 - 03:01 AM, said:

Perhaps this is true legally, but thats one hell of a low blow from PGI either way if that is the case and they do cut CW.

Yeah they would have a hard time selling anything to anyone.if that were to happen.

[Billygoat]

Rifter, on 14 December 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

I dont think this is possible, it was a heavily advertised feature both on the official site and in the PC gamer article all through closed beta.

I know i for one only supported and bought into founders because of CW. If i wanted a deathmatch robot game i would have went with hawken.

I believe if they try and pull CW from the game now then all the founders would have a open and closed class action lawsuit case going in no time to get there money back because at that point it would fall into the bait and switch catagory.

As I said, I'm happy to proven wrong. I hope I'm wrong. And hey, all it takes is a single post from Garth, Paul, Bryan or Russ to make me eat my words

But if I'm right (and I really, really, really hope I'm not), then it's not the kind of thing you announce. You just.. steadily remove references to it, so your new players may simply never know it was on the cards at all. You answer no questions and make no concrete statements about it while hinting, but never outright stating, that there is a legitimate reason for your silence. Then.. eventually, most of the people who were ardently waiting for that feature in particular have gotten tired or waiting and moved on and those who stuck around to play but were never married to the idea of the feature will have forgotten about it or simply won't care. And, of course, your new players probably never really knew about it in the first place.

This kind of thing happens in game development all the time. If you've closely followed development of games in the past, you've probably seen it. Who remembers the original Fable? Or TESIV: Oblivion? This is only a bit different because a lot of us have been able to play and participate in the game during development rather than just buying the game off the shelf on release day and then noticing that some of the big features the developers were crowing about in early development 10 months ago didn't make the cut in the end.

[Rifter]

Billygoat, on 14 December 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

As I said, I'm happy to proven wrong. I hope I'm wrong. And hey, all it takes is a single post from Garth, Paul, Bryan or Russ to make me eat my words But if I'm right (and I really, really, really hope I'm not), then it's not the kind of thing you announce. You just.. steadily remove references to it, so your new players may simply never know it was on the cards at all. You answer no questions and make no concrete statements about it while hinting, but never outright stating, that there is a legitimate reason for your silence. Then.. eventually, most of the people who were ardently waiting for that feature in particular have gotten tired or waiting and moved on and those who stuck around to play but were never married to the idea of the feature will have forgotten about it or simply won't care. And, of course, your new players probably never really knew about it in the first place. This kind of thing happens in game development all the time. If you've closely followed development of games in the past, you've probably seen it. Who remembers the original Fable? Or TESIV: Oblivion? This is only a bit different because a lot of us have been able to play and participate in the game during development rather than just buying the game off the shelf on release day and then noticing that some of the big features the developers were crowing about in early development 10 months ago didn't make the cut in the end.

Well i do hope you are wrong, CW isnt just a feature its literally the only thing that will make this game worth playing long term, it has zero chance of long term survival without it.

[Irreverence]

I posted this in the other thread that got move to "Jettisoned Communication." Which, by the way seemed like a relevant topic. But I think it makes a lot of sense if you wanted to have a rough prediction of a timeline.

Community Warfare is supposedly about gaining control of planets. If you look at how long it takes to create one map (one world) How many maps (worlds) would it take to make community warfare possible? Minimum I would expect no less than twenty-four worlds or unique maps.

Edited by Irreverence, 14 December 2012 - 08:08 AM.

[Heeden]

Rifter, on 13 December 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

I already know Garth cant answer this

im hoping another dev can step up and answer it.

I'm guessing Garth and the devs do communicate with each other, so if Garth can't answer your questions it is because the team don't have any information to give you.

[Dakkath]

Closing, please see the response from the Dev's here:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1600433


In short: It's coming.