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[Roadbuster]

I've just played some matches with mechs from light to heavy, all of them using TAG.
While I have little problems to TAG an Atlas it seems impossible to TAG a Commando or Raven running ECM.
And, no, it's not because of aiming because the lasers I fire hit and deal damage to these mechs while TAG does nothing.
I've tried LRMs and SSRMs and never even got a chance of a target lock on one of them. Even when they were standing still.

Someone else having the same issues?

[Khobai]

I find TAG pretty useless right now. That may change after they buff it but we'll see.

[Kdogg788]

I've heard that TAG doesn't work within a certain range, and you have to be right up on a light to hold TAG on them, but ill have to test this with a build that has it.

-k

[Roadbuster]

If TAG only works at a certain distance, that makes some mechs invulnerable to these weapon systems...
You won't be able to keep something running 140kph at a distance of 200m.

[Khobai]

TAG doesnt work within 180m, but you cant fire LRMs within 180m anyway... and quite frankly if TAG is going to have a 750m range theres no reason for scouts to carry TAG anymore when LRM boats can just TAG their own targets.

[Orzorn]

Khobai, on 15 December 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

TAG doesnt work within 180m, but you cant fire LRMs within 180m anyway... and quite frankly if TAG is going to have a 750m range theres no reason for scouts to carry TAG anymore when LRM boats can just TAG their own targets.

SSRMs can fire within 180 meters, though (they have no minimum range, is what I mean, not that they work within 180 meters of ECM).

TAG should never have been affected by ECM anyways. Its just another senseless tack onto the ECM's already huge list of abilities.

Edited for clarity.

Edited by Orzorn, 15 December 2012 - 09:55 AM.

[Locan Ravok]

If you are inside the ECM bubble, your tag will not work.

[Dasht e Lut]

I've not seen what TAG looks like when piloting a build with LRMs (ie what the info in your targeting reticle looks like) because I've not piloted anything other than Commandos since I started. Well, until last night that is: Just purchased a Cataphract...

Anyway, I can assure you that from a light piot's perspective the TAG/LRM combo is just tidiculously effective! I'm seeing more and more thin red beams these days, either people self-TAGging or working cooperatively. I can't tell you how many times I've been splashed all over the terrain by LRMs recently while pugging!

Some people, obviously, have figured out how to kill ECM equipped lights quite effectively (and quickly). I run a COM-2D and I say to these teams and players: Great job adapting to changing circumstances and properly using the tools given! Nothing fills me with more fear than to see a TAG equipped mech.

I can't address specifically what you are doing, but from a light driver's perspective you're going in the right direction!

[Wispsy]

Lead for lagshield. I have zero problems maintaining TAG on light mechs in my 50kph Atlas. Just learn to know where they will run and shoot there instead of shooting where they have not been for months (where the screen says they are). Maybe it will help you improve your leading lagshielded lights with other weapons

Anyone who says TAG is useless is wrong and clearly unskilled in many different ways...

[Jman5]

TAG is going to become a "required" item for the Raven 3L and Cicada 3m in 3 days you mark my words. The best way to use TAG is for breaking up an ECM baitball that's sitting behind a hill.

Sneak an ECM scout behind enemy line and then use the 750m TAG to light them up and rain LRMs on their face. The scouts ECM will make him difficult to spot so it should provide some real fun dynamics to the game.

I look forward to a lot of crying in a few days about how OP ECM + TAG is.

[Khobai]

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TAG is going to become a "required" item for the Raven 3L and Cicada 3m in 3 days you mark my words

No it wont. There is no reason for scouts to use TAG when LRM boats can TAG their own targets because it has a 750m range. By increasing the range of TAG, theyve eliminated the need for scouts to TAG for LRM boats.

[Dasht e Lut]

Jman5, on 15 December 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

TAG is going to become a "required" item for the Raven 3L and Cicada 3m in 3 days you mark my words. The best way to use TAG is for breaking up an ECM baitball that's sitting behind a hill.

Sneak an ECM scout behind enemy line and then use the 750m TAG to light them up and rain LRMs on their face. The scouts ECM will make him difficult to spot so it should provide some real fun dynamics to the game.

I look forward to a lot of crying in a few days about how OP ECM + TAG is.

For what it's worth: so effective is a scout, with or without ECM, equipped with a TAG, working cooperatively with LRM-carrying mech, that I've replaced my medium laser on my COM-2D with TAG (did this last night.) Will replace one mlaser on my other Coms as well.

As of last night I start every pug fight by informing my team that I'm "ECM, TAG scout" and asking "any missiles?"

Only ran a few matches so far, but we'll see what happens when I team drop tonight.

Cheers!

Edited by Dasht e Lut, 15 December 2012 - 10:37 AM.

[Roadkill]

Khobai, on 15 December 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

No it wont. There is no reason for scouts to use TAG when LRM boats can TAG their own targets because it has a 750m range. By increasing the range of TAG, theyve eliminated the need for scouts to TAG for LRM boats.

Good luck getting TAG on those enemies behind that hill over there without a scout+TAG. The new 750m range simply makes TAG useful again. What they should really do is also remove it from the list of equipment affected by ECM so that it can be used within 180m of an ECM Mech.

[Ryvucz]

The only kind of TAG you should be using on a light mech is a large laser.

[Helbourne]

Now that is one change that is a must. You should be able to TAG within the ECM bubble. Think about it, its the same laser going in to the ECM as if it was generated inside the ECM bubble. Don't give me the crap about the ECM disrupting the TAG unit generating the TAG laser, just wrap it up good with some sort of electronic shielding and problem is solved.

[Kdogg788]

Khobai, on 15 December 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

TAG doesnt work within 180m, but you cant fire LRMs within 180m anyway... and quite frankly if TAG is going to have a 750m range theres no reason for scouts to carry TAG anymore when LRM boats can just TAG their own targets.

If the intention is for TAG not to work within 180 meters than why even have it. Anyone who says to TAG targets for your missiles that are ECMd should be slapped. You shouldn't have to self TAG from a distance for it to work. Scouts should be able to TAG for you.

-k

[Ryvucz]

Helbourne, on 15 December 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

Now that is one change that is a must. You should be able to TAG within the ECM bubble. Think about it, its the same laser going in to the ECM as if it was generated inside the ECM bubble. Don't give me the crap about the ECM disrupting the TAG unit generating the TAG laser, just wrap it up good with some sort of electronic shielding and problem is solved.

Same laser, yes... but there is an electronic system that controls the TAG laser to begin with.

With your kind of debate, ECM would be voided out anyway, due to everyone wrapping their mechs in anti-ECM protective material.

[BlackSquirrel]

TAG = 450m.. on the 18th boosted to 750m

IF

IF You are in 180m of ECM bubble your tag does not relay info to team members...just like all other data. Missiles are not laser guided rather traced from the "taggers" tech to the ones firing.

TAGGED TARGETS IN ECM SPHERE DO NOT GET 30% bonus...but can have missiles locked on. If not in sphere then a bonus is applied.