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[Wildedge]

I have a Cataphract CT-2X, with a purely "for the fun of it / low damage" load out of three Large pulse lasers and a beagle active probe, and an AMS with 1 ton ammo.

I have an XL 340 and 19 double heat sincs. My heat rating is 1.26. I have zero open critical slots at the moment. Taking out the beagle wouldn't give me what I need to add even one more double HS. (removing it would give me two not three more slots)

(Edit: Added in:) Stripping all heat sinks (engine included) and the beagle puts me at 59 out of 70 tons. So I have 11 tons to work with.

My question is, how do I determine (calculate) if single heat sincs would give me an advantage over the doubles? Is there a formula? There has to a way other than spending all that money to actually show the results.

Edited by Wildedge, 14 December 2012 - 10:13 AM.

[Nayru]

Remove all heat sinks, note the amount you have remaining, those are engine heat sinks, add 2 for each.

For heat sinks outside the engine, add 1.4 each, unsure if the extra heat sinks stored inside the engine slots count as 2 or 1.4.

Should be fairly obvious to do the same for singles, just 1 for each ton/1 for each engine heat sink.

[Bilbo]

Doubles
10 @ 2.0
9 @ 1.4
total is 32.6 for 9 tons and 24 crits
Singles
10 @ 1.0
23 @ 1.0
total is 33 for 23 tons and 22 crits.

You have the crits to add 2 more singles, at least, for total of 35 and 25 tons. The question is whether or not you have the tonage.
Sorry, I don't know of a formula.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

I believe the current formula is:
Engine mounted DHS (up to 10): x2
External DHS and Engine DHS beyond 10: x1.4

So your mech would be
(10 DHS x 2.0) + (9 DHS x 1.4) = 32.6 effective cooling every 10 seconds.

Assuming that DHS increases your total heat capacity (not just cooling) at its equivelant DHS value (meaning your heat 100% heat cap is 52.6), which is just an assumption, I have not verified. Then here is a chart of your continuous fire heat build up.

3x Lg Pulse Las__________________(HS 32.6)
Turn_____Δ_______Heat_________%________Dam
0_______27_______27.0________51%________30
1________________23.7________45%________30
2________________20.5________39%________30
3________________17.2________33%________30
4_______27_______41.0________78%________60
5________________37.7________72%________60
6________________34.4________65%________60
7________________31.2________59%________60
8_______27_______54.9________104%_______90
9________________51.7________98%________90
10_______________48.4________92%________90
11_______________45.1________86%________90
12______27_______68.9________131%______120

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 14 December 2012 - 09:31 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

Wildedge, on 14 December 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

I have a Cataphract CT-2X, with a purely "for the fun of it / low damage" load out of three Large pulse lasers and a beagle active probe.

I have an XL 340 and 19 double heat sinks. I have zero open critical slots at the moment. Taking out the beagle wouldn't give me what I need to add even one more HS.

My question is, how do I determine (calculate) if single heat sinks would give me an advantage over the doubles? Is there a formula? There has to a way other than spending all that money to actually show the results.

Here is my take. Use lots of Salt...

First, change your Engine size. With the 340 you are in the middle territory with 13. Go back to 325, still 13 and save 1.5 tons, or moved up to the 350, add 1.5 tons and get 14 HS's. The removal of the Beagle can help if you go up. The speed difference will be negligible in either case.

The main issue is how many extra "internal" HS slots will either engine be given. The available Charts of Engine Sizes list 3 "internals" for the 325 and 4 "internals" for the 350.

Thus if the word on HS's is true, those "internals" over 10 are rated at 1.4 and the 10 based ones are rated @2.0. The 350 Engine will give you an extra 1.4 but use up only a "internal/single" engine HS slot.

So under the 350, you get 10 x 2.0, + 4 x 1.4, + how many other 1.4 HS can fit the Mech. Thus with just an Engine change you can get an Extra 1.4HS free (of sorts).

P.S. Ninja'd above

Edited by MaddMaxx, 14 December 2012 - 09:51 AM.

[Craftyman]

^ just a side note: you can't mount a 350 on any cataphract. The max engine class is 340.

[FrostPaw]

I spent about a million cbills finding out DHS on my Atlas wasn't worth it. it would be nice if we could get some sort of test changes with upgrades, similar to how building mechs in the mechlab allows you to configure it before approving the purchase.

[Wildedge]

Thank you for the quick and helpful responses gentlemen!

Thanks to the useful data posted, with only 11 tons to spend, in this application (engine) it would appear that the double heat sinks are still the best option.

Edited by Wildedge, 14 December 2012 - 10:04 AM.

[J0N3S]

@FrostPaw

use the Mechbay Tool

http://mwomercs.com/...echbay-program/