34 replies to this topic

[JohnnyC]

I wish Pulse lasers had a little bit longer range. They're not bad, but they're vastly different from the normal lasers.

[Krzysztof z Bagien]

As much as I'd love do see pulse lasers turned into "laser machine gun" I don't belive this will ever happen.

[Soy]

Pr8Dator, on 18 December 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

Well, actually the two best weapons in terms of DPS/Ton and Damage/Ton are the Medium laser and the Medium Pulse Laser. LL is just too hot and heavy to compete. Both LL and MPL has almost the same damage/heat (1.2 v 1.28) but vastly different DPS/Ton and Dam/Ton, giving MPL the absolute advantage over LL on the battlefield. If you have only one energy hardpoint and the tonnage to spare, the LPL would still be better than the LL.

Lol, ok good luck sniping with your MPL...

[Pr8Dator]

Soy, on 18 December 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

Lol, ok good luck sniping with your MPL...

Good luck sniping with Medium Lasers too... if sniping is all you are concerned about, of course the longer range weapons are better but I don't think that is what I was discussing.

[AlexEss]

Sounds like a good idea, lets just punch in a heat value that is 4 times higher to balance it out.

[Soy]

Pr8Dator, on 18 December 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Good luck sniping with Medium Lasers too... if sniping is all you are concerned about, of course the longer range weapons are better but I don't think that is what I was discussing.

Are you serious? Talking about sniping with LLs, hello?

Yeah, what you were discussing was dps/tonnage, etc, crapping on LLs. Without even once comparing range.

[MustrumRidcully]

AlexEss, on 18 December 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Sounds like a good idea, lets just punch in a heat value that is 4 times higher to balance it out.

Hmm. This might be PGI math.

So I rather give them a hint:
Drop damageand heat per shot proportionally to the increase in rate of fire, and the weapon retains its overall damage output, but it delivers it in smaller, but more frequent packages. Afterwards, balance to taste, because some people might observe that machine guns rate of fire is not necessarily the best way to fight, and that slow firing weapons have certain perks - more up-front damage, more time to get into cover or perform evasive actions.

[Zero Neutral]

FrupertApricot, on 17 December 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

The pulse lasers in this game handle exactly like regular lasers except theres a faster fire rate and damage is done faster. Why dont we try having them work like all the lore states. Energy machinguns. They should fire their pulses as long as you are holding the trigger, leaving bursts/management up to you, with this constant stream of fire you'd get the "hit modifier" effect too as youd have more opportunities to land at least part of a pulse on your target over time.

You should instead post this in the suggestion forum.

[Purlana]

I can see more people holding down the fire button and hitting their team mates already. (Especially when chasing light mechs)

Edited by Purlana, 18 December 2012 - 05:41 AM.

[Khobai]

Pulse Lasers are supposed to be more accurate than standard lasers

Accuracy in MWO essentially translates into one of three things:

1) less damage dropoff due to range
2) lower beam duration so more damage hits the same location
3) faster convergence speed (once convergence is implemented)

[GioAvanti]

FrupertApricot, on 17 December 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

The pulse lasers in this game handle exactly like regular lasers except theres a faster fire rate and damage is done faster. Why dont we try having them work like all the lore states. Energy machinguns. They should fire their pulses as long as you are holding the trigger, leaving bursts/management up to you, with this constant stream of fire you'd get the "hit modifier" effect too as youd have more opportunities to land at least part of a pulse on your target over time.

That's not how the lore works...


Not even close.

Soy, on 18 December 2012 - 04:19 AM, said:

Are you serious? Talking about sniping with LLs, hello?

Yeah, what you were discussing was dps/tonnage, etc, crapping on LLs. Without even once comparing range.

Well when you got someone talking about DPS you got at least 1 ***** in the conversation... keep that in mind.

[Sprouticus]

Khobai, on 18 December 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Pulse Lasers are supposed to be more accurate than standard lasers

Accuracy in MWO essentially translates into one of three things:

1) less damage dropoff due to range
2) lower beam duration so more damage hits the same location
3) faster convergence speed (once convergence is implemented)

There is a 4th factor everyone here seems to be missing, and that is DoT ticks per second. pulse lasers not only have lower beam times, but also fewer ticks (yes there is a difference) which means the damage is more concentrated.

Regular lasers are actually better for dmg/heat if you can hold the beam on target. But pulse give you much better damage/location when hitting a moving target.

[Kommisar]

The problem is that every author that FASA let loose to write in the BT universe got a LOT of artistic license in describing the weapons, gear and such. For instance, I never had the impression that Autocannons were big, chain firing machine guns. I always pictured them as tank guns that were "Auto Loaded". After all, these are big cannons that can damage and kill big armored mechs! You don't do that by firing lots and lots of little bullets. I don't care how many rounds I have for my AK-47, that tank isn't going to care.

Here is what I was raised on playing BattleTech

AC/2 - These were cannons in the 20mm range
AC/5 - 50mm range
AC/10 - 100mm range
AC/20 - 200mm range

Right now, the AC/2 fires a lot like a 20mm Cannon and has a lot of Dakka Dakka.

I never liked the rotary ACs that came later. I think that had a lot to do with the art that created showing them on mechs. These massive spinning barrels. The engineer in me was always left looking at those thinking, Okay, you have the mechanism to spin all those barrels... where do you fit the chamber and feed mechanisms for it? And, if you are shooting rounds that large to require spinning barrels to control barrel fatigue, where do you fit the ammo???

My hopes here is that the Devs do a better visual implimentation of rotary ACs.

[Revolver Kirin]

Kommisar, on 18 December 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

The problem is that every author that FASA let loose to write in the BT universe got a LOT of artistic license in describing the weapons, gear and such. For instance, I never had the impression that Autocannons were big, chain firing machine guns. I always pictured them as tank guns that were "Auto Loaded". After all, these are big cannons that can damage and kill big armored mechs! You don't do that by firing lots and lots of little bullets. I don't care how many rounds I have for my AK-47, that tank isn't going to care.

Here is what I was raised on playing BattleTech

AC/2 - These were cannons in the 20mm range
AC/5 - 50mm range
AC/10 - 100mm range
AC/20 - 200mm range

Right now, the AC/2 fires a lot like a 20mm Cannon and has a lot of Dakka Dakka.

I never liked the rotary ACs that came later. I think that had a lot to do with the art that created showing them on mechs. These massive spinning barrels. The engineer in me was always left looking at those thinking, Okay, you have the mechanism to spin all those barrels... where do you fit the chamber and feed mechanisms for it? And, if you are shooting rounds that large to require spinning barrels to control barrel fatigue, where do you fit the ammo???

My hopes here is that the Devs do a better visual implimentation of rotary ACs.

Actually, if you look at the art for Prometheus(Victor Stiener-Davion's Daishi), which is commonly armed with an Ultra AC/20, you'll notice that in a large portion of them the Autocannon really is an autocannon, firing off what look to be 125mm shells in fairly rapid succession. Though I agree, the fact that a lot of the art for Battlemechs have multibarrel A/Cs when the Rotary A/C is strictly Davion tech has always threw me as well. Just thought I'd toss my oar in.

[Corvus Antaka]

I'd love to see the pulse lasers work like in mech3 where they fired nearly endlessly but generated tons of heat and low damage unless you held them on the mech the entire time.

That would be much cooler than what we have now.