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[Norris J Packard]

I did some quick math, given the fact that most games tend be 8-0 or 8-2/3 I fully expect their to be a massive influx of threads complaining about the update to the economy.

Do not be fooled, the lack of RNR is a ruse that appears to be a buff to your earnings. However given the fact that every game must have at least 8 losers, this is in reality a nerf. A very substantial one none the less.

Currently on a loss, many players can expect to make around 100k. However if you take a look at the base line that PGI is anticipating the average player to make by rank, suddenly these numbers tell a whole different story.

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Average Rewards by player match rank before any bonuses:

• 1 – 100,000+
  
• 2-3 75,000-100,000
  
• 4-5 50,000-75,000
  
• 6-7 35,000-50,000
  
• 8 – 25,000-35,000

Note these figures are the numbers that they intend the players ranked 1-8 to earn. This is not some sort of bonus, or variable that gets slapped onto your total. This is it folks. They fully expect for players on the losing side (or on the bottom of the winners table) to make no more than 25-30k per game. This is going to happen.

Edited by Norris J Packard, 18 December 2012 - 03:53 AM.

[Nayru]

Before any bonuses, mind. Who knows what the final numbers are going to be, best to save complaining until playing 10ish matches under the new 'economy'.

[MadcatX]

This is startling information. Although I could have sworn I've seen the R&R debate taking place elsewhere....


http://mwomercs.com/...-your-point-so/
http://mwomercs.com/...-return-to-mwo/
http://mwomercs.com/...-command-chair/
http://mwomercs.com/...ces-with-no-rr/
http://mwomercs.com/...-clarification/
http://mwomercs.com/...and-rearm-gone/

[Taizan]

Norris J Packard, on 18 December 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

Note these figures are the numbers that they intend the players ranked 1-8 to earn. This is not some sort of bonus, or variable that gets slapped onto your total. This is it folks. They fully expect for players on the losing side (or on the bottom of the winners table) to make no more than 25-30k per game. This is going to happen.

This is going to happen and is set in stone for eternity there will be no tweaking / tuning / adjustments made. EVER! Welcome to purgatory.

Seriously stop picking out the raisins (cherries?) and understand that this is just the first iteration of the new system which can and will be fine tuned over time. Like most economic systems in most games.

[Norris J Packard]

Nayru, on 18 December 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Before any bonuses, mind. Who knows what the final numbers are going to be, best to save complaining until playing 10ish matches under the new 'economy'.

Bonuses being Premium and Founders. F2P = Casual playerbase.

The NPE is slightly boosted as of this patch, but the sustainable base is just going to disappear.

Try playing 8man's and lose several times in a row with these new earning conditions, suddenly you make nothing.

[Sifright]

Norris J Packard, on 18 December 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

Bonuses being Premium and Founders. F2P = Casual playerbase.

The NPE is slightly boosted as of this patch, but the sustainable base is just going to disappear.

Try playing 8man's and lose several times in a row with these new earning conditions, suddenly you make nothing.

With no R+R you will make plenty.

[Snib]

New economy is an incentive to play well. Love it.

[Nayru]

I'm under the implication bonuses also accounts for everything you do in-game.

[Sifright]

reread the dev post again.

Each team is split into 8 players a side.

each player gets rewards based on their rank position in their team.

[Norris J Packard]

Sifright, on 18 December 2012 - 03:37 AM, said:

With no R+R you will make plenty.

You're kidding right? Sif, read the post again.

The guy who comes in first place should be making around 100k per game. Everyone else will make less than that guy, it is a fact. Everyone on the losing side (usually players ranked 9-16) will make around 25-35k per game.

[Sifright]

Norris J Packard, on 18 December 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

You're kidding right? Sif, read the post again.

The guy who comes in first place should be making around 100k per game. Everyone else will make less than that guy, it is a fact. Everyone on the losing side (usually players ranked 9-16) will make around 25-35k per game.

but it ranks you based on position in your team.

Ranks 1-8 on each side.

Meaning the top rankers on each side get 100k

[G SE7EN7]

Really want to hold my thoughts until I see the patch in action but if im playing on a team with 7 other good players and our team is winning without losing a mech im going to be a bit mifted that im only making 25-35k per match for coming in 8th even though im pulling my weight.

[Norris J Packard]

Sifright, on 18 December 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

reread the dev post again.

Each team is split into 8 players a side.

each player gets rewards based on their rank position in their team.

No, it doesn't Sif. The guy who comes in first place doesn't suddenly get 100k+ because of reasons.

Do the math, I did it. Please, factor in your typical damage, kills, assists, etc. into the variables they have listed under this section and combine it. You will determine the overall values.

[CrazyCatDaddy]

Our 4man premades will have a field day with this system. We are simply stomping anything anyway right out of the bat. But now we will get rewarded for achieving places 1-4. I love it. No need to get premium anymore, if you dont need the xp.

[ConnorSinclair]

Sifright, on 18 December 2012 - 03:43 AM, said:

but it ranks you based on position in your team.

Ranks 1-8 on each side.

Meaning the top rankers on each side get 100k

No sif, no.

Where are you getting this?

[Norris J Packard]

MadcatX, on 18 December 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

This is startling information. Although I could have sworn I've seen the R&R debate taking place elsewhere....


http://mwomercs.com/...-your-point-so/
http://mwomercs.com/...-return-to-mwo/
http://mwomercs.com/...-command-chair/
http://mwomercs.com/...ces-with-no-rr/
http://mwomercs.com/...-clarification/
http://mwomercs.com/...and-rearm-gone/

Ya, I don't care. It's pretty obvious I don't care because I didn't bother to post in any of those threads. You'll note that only one of the threads you listed brings up the same point I do. And guess what? It has two posts.

[RedDragon]

What exactly is your problem?
Those numbers are for both teams before all bonuses. So if you score 8th on he losing side, you make about 40.000k if you've done anything for your team at all.
What do you make today when losing, and after repairs? Won't be that much more, if at all.

[Norris J Packard]

RedDragon, on 18 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

What exactly is your problem?
Those numbers are for both teams before all bonuses. So if you score 8th on he losing side, you make about 40.000k if you've done anything for your team at all.
What do you make today when losing, and after repairs? Won't be that much more, if at all.

Red, the only bonuses are Premium and Heroes. The math they did was an average of rank which had already factored in damage, kills, assists, etc. You will make effectively nothing on a loss.

[Sifright]

Norris J Packard, on 18 December 2012 - 03:48 AM, said:

Ya, I don't care. It's pretty obvious I don't care because I didn't bother to post in any of those threads. You'll note that only one of the threads you listed brings up the same point I do. And guess what? It has two posts.

because logically they would have mentioned what they expect players 9-16 to get if they weren't delinating based on rank reward being split by team.

[Norris J Packard]

Sifright, on 18 December 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

because logically they would have mentioned what they expect players 9-16 to get if they weren't delinating based on rank reward being split by team.

Sif, they did. Look at the part of the post I quoted, what's it say at the bottom? 8-, which means players 8- whatever.