33 replies to this topic

[Joseph Mallan]

OK we have been raging over economics.

How about The New buffs for PPCs and ACs?
Pro or Con?

[MoonUnitBeta]

We will know hopefully in less than 20 hours.

[p00k]

not really needed imo for ac's
not really enough imo for ppc's (if it's just projectile speed)

[QuantumButler]

It's high time they got them IMO.

Seeing AC shots slowly float towards the enemy was hilarious but not really effective.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

I'm really excited about the AC changes. I've got AC20's on my YLW and a Cataphract, a UAC Cataphract, and AC10 Dragons. Very excited indeed.

I feel like the PPCs are more prone to weird glitches than any other weapon; passing through the target, bad hit registration, etc. Could be my imagination though, I'll have to give them another try after tomorrow and see what's up.

Edited by Warrax the Chaos Warrior, 17 December 2012 - 07:14 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

p00k, on 17 December 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

not really needed imo for ac's
not really enough imo for ppc's (if it's just projectile speed)

AC's are good but the travel time could use some boost to me. And PPCs well my complaint has always been with the heat scale more than the weapon itself.

[One Medic Army]

The only AC that really needs a buff in my mind is the AC/5.
It's got the lowest DPS of any of the autocannons by a good amount.

[Joseph Mallan]

AC 5 should deal the same DpS as a Medium laser. Is that a Buff or a Nerf?

[One Medic Army]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 December 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

AC 5 should deal the same DpS as a Medium laser. Is that a Buff or a Nerf?

I dunno, maybe if range mattered in this game I'd go for that.
In MWO you're paying so much tonnage just to equip one...

[skullman86]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 December 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

AC 5 should deal the same DpS as a Medium laser. Is that a Buff or a Nerf?

According to this it would be a nerf

AC5 has better range, lower heat, faster cooldown, higher DPS and it's arguably more reliable because the damage it deals is instantaneous. All that is supposed to be balanced out by space, crit slots, and ammo.

I only use the AC/20 though, so I cant comment on how any of that data works out in-game.

EDIT: Also, I'm looking forward to the proposed AC/PPC changes. They may not be the fixes to end all fixes, but I'm not going to complain about something that will probably make these weapons better.

Edited by skullman86, 17 December 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[Gigastrike]

ACs should be a bit more viable against lights and at long ranges now, which I think has always been their biggest weakness. Anything that helps to make lights a little less dodgy is a bonus imo, but it's still only a band-aid for the netcode issue.

It's also my understanding that the PPC won't be getting any buffs this update, and they're gonna be buffing both the speed and heat efficiency at a later time (which sucks because it could really use that buff).

[Poopy Joe]

PPC should get a decrease in heat made and travel faster. Then it would be a viable weapon. But right now PPC is a waste.

Still wish they would rework the PPC so its a PPC.


Particle Projector Cannon


It produces a stream of protons that damges the target.

Edited by Poopy Joe, 17 December 2012 - 07:28 PM.

[Budor]

English isnt my native language and i would like to know if the PPC changes (speed) are in tomorrow? He didnt mention the PPC in the 2nd update post

http://mwomercs.com/...apon-balancing/

1st Post:
"Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:49 PM

POPULAR
As I said I would keep you up to date... going into test today... possibly live next patch...

1) AutoCannon projectile speeds increasing. AC/20 ~ 900m/s. AC/LBX10 ~ 1100m/s. AC/UAC/5 ~1300m/s.
2) PPC and ERPPC projectile speeds increasing to 2000m/s (AC/2 speed).

I've also looked into doing some tweaks with the NARC and TAG systems. So far I'm planning on increasing the time that a NARC beacon lasts from 15 seconds to 20 seconds. TAG range will be boosted from 450m to 750m.

These changes will go through testing and if it feels right, you'll see them next patch."


2nd Post:
"Update:

• The above mentioned AutoCannon changes, NARC change and TAG changes will be in the Dec. 18th patch.

Next on Deck:The PPC/ER-PPC/Large Laser/ER Large Lasers/Large Pulse Lasers will be investigated with possible heat nerfs..buffs.. (whichever you prefer in terms of LOWERING heat generated by these weapons)."

Edited by Budor, 17 December 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[Anastasius]

The speed on the PPCS should be interesting assuming you can get past the netcode issues.

[Felicitatem Parco]

(I know, the heat and damage buffs are only being investigated right now, and they're probably not in this patch...)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 17 December 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[FerretGR]

Poopy Joe, on 17 December 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Still wish they would rework the PPC so its a PPC.

It produces a stream of protons that damges the target.

Not to nitpick, but it'd be electrons being fired, not protons.

According to Sarna, it's "protons or ions." I stand corrected!

Edited by FerretGR, 17 December 2012 - 08:09 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Aaaactually, the PPC is a weaponized Mass Spectrometer that siphons ionized hydrogen out of the reactor and accelerates it though an EM field to product a proton-projectile cloud... but it's done in bursts instead of as a long, constant stream (that'd be akin to a Maser). It supposedly fires these bursts at near relativistic speeds in order to generate enough kinetic energy to make the attack worth it (the projectiles weigh next-to-nothing because clouds of small atoms are pretty light-weight compared to whole bullets).

It's SciFi... sometimes ya gotta have a little Fi in there with the Sci...

Edited by Prosperity Park, 17 December 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[Poopy Joe]

FerretGR, on 17 December 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Not to nitpick, but it'd be electrons being fired, not protons.

http://www.sarna.net...rojector_Cannon

That is where you failed young one.

[General Taskeen]

I already use 2 PPC's, 1 AC/20 on my Atlas to crush souls. The crying after the patch will be legendary as Warlord General Samsonov Taskeen destroys all things.

[FerretGR]

Even before the replies came in, I was learning of my mistake... Sorry, I'm so used to it being described as "man-made lighting" in the novels that I made the leap to real lighting