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[Redshift2k5]

The 3F, 3H, and 4N all have fewer hardpoints than the 5M and 5S variants. There are no unique builds you can make utilizing the 3F, 3H, or 4N that you cannot build using the 5S(and the 5S comes with double AMS hardpoints)

The 5M presents a unique hardpoint layout, being the only STK with 5 missile as well as the only STK with Energy hardpoints in the CT.

Be aware of the hardpoint number and location before making a Stalker purchase that you may regret.

Addendum: confirmation of no additional modules slots being included for the 3F/3H/4N

Stalker STK-3F

* Tonnage: 85
* Top Speed: 48.6 kph
* Armor: 432
* Weapons & Equipment:
* Left Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 10
* Left Torso: 1 Large Laser, 1 SRM 6
* Right Torso: 1 Large Laser, 1 SRM 6
* Right Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 10
* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile
* Right Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-3H

* Tonnage: 85
* Top Speed: 48.6 kph
* Armor: 432
* Weapons & Equipment:
* Left Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 20
* Left Torso: 1 SRM 6
* Right Torso: 1 SRM 6
* Right Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 20
* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 1 Missile
* Right Torso: 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-4N

* Tonnage: 85
* Top Speed: 48.6 kph
* Armor: 432
* Weapons & Equipment:
* Left Arm: 2 Medium Lasers
* Left Torso: 1 Large Laser, 1 SRM 6
* Right Torso: 1 Large Laser, 1 SRM 6
* Right Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 10
* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy
* Left Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile
* Right Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-5M

* Tonnage: 85
* Top Speed: 48.6 kph
* Armor: 464
* Weapons & Equipment:
* Left Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 10
* Left Torso: 1 Narc, 1 SRM 6
* Center Torso: 1 ER Large Laser
* Right Torso: 1 SRM 6
* Right Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 10
* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 2 Missile
* Center Torso: 1 Energy
* Right Torso: 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-5S

* Tonnage: 85
* Top Speed: 48.6 kph
* Armor: 432
* Weapons & Equipment:
* Left Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 10
* Left Torso: 1 Large Pulse Laser, 1 SRM 6, 1 AMS
* Right Torso: 1 Large Pulse Laser, 1 SRM 6
* Right Arm: 2 Medium Lasers, 1 LRM 10
* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Edited by Niko Snow, 18 December 2012 - 03:08 PM.

[Broceratops]

5M and 3F (ecm) are the 'good' ones. as for a third so you can do elite ... i'd wait for a hero mech because unless you really value modules, the 5M and 5F are going to be superior in every way.

Edited by Broceratops, 18 December 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[Nayru]

What? The 3F has 10 hardpoints, and the 5S is the same as the 3F only with two AMS hardpoints.

[GrimlockONE]

For those who Elite and Master the Stalker, we will have to buy a third Variant.

[Asakara]

If they allow the 3F to be a 3Fb I will be getting that variant for sure.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stalker

[Redshift2k5]

GrimlockONE, on 18 December 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

For those who Elite and Master the Stalker, we will have to buy a third Variant.

Yes, but don't buy a third until this issue has had time to percolate through the community, and perhaps lead to some buffs to the under-statted STK variants.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

3F should have ECM.Check it out.
And yeah you will need at least 3 chasis to exp them up...and most HP does not mean the best.You know ammo and heat should be issue.And what about launcher tubes?I bet that NARC missile launcher will have 1 tube like that on raven-3L...yea rly usefull :s .

[Voridan Atreides]

Depends if you want to elite and master it.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 18 December 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[Penance]

GrimlockONE, on 18 December 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

For those who Elite and Master the Stalker, we will have to buy a third Variant.

wait for hero.

[Ghogiel]

I guess it depends on whether you want more hard points on the arms or in the torso..

[One Medic Army]

the LRM20 stalker should be getting 2 missiles per arm.
which would make it 6missile 4 energy.

Unfortunately, looks like a no on that one.

Edited by One Medic Army, 18 December 2012 - 12:07 PM.

[Kousagi]

The F and S are pretty much the same mech. The S has a extra AMS, but then who even uses AMS anymore?

[Xibeco]

Maybe there are module slot differences. There will certainly be price differences. Neither of those are deal-breakers, though.

[Skyscream Sapphire]

Launcher tubes may be an important variable, but so far I have to agree with the OP. It looks like most of the variants are useless by fact of being completely dominated by the 5M and 5S.

[Broceratops]

Kousagi, on 18 December 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

The F and S are pretty much the same mech. The S has a extra AMS, but then who even uses AMS anymore?

the F has ecm supposedly. so the F >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the S.

[Joseph Mallan]

thanks for the heads up Red.

[Asmosis]

Kousagi, on 18 December 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

The F and S are pretty much the same mech. The S has a extra AMS, but then who even uses AMS anymore?

2x AMS would be enough to take down some srms where 1xAMS can't always do enough damage to kill any due to the short firing range. Still probably only need 1 ton of ammo as well

[Lord Ikka]

Broceratops, on 18 December 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

the F has ecm supposedly. so the F >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the S.

3F does Not have ECM. Only Stalker that has ECM is the 3Fb.

[Skyfaller]

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Stalker STK-3F

* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile
* Right Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-3H

* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 1 Missile
* Right Torso: 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-4N

* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy
* Left Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile
* Right Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-5M

* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 2 Missile
* Center Torso: 1 Energy
* Right Torso: 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Jump Jets: n/a

Stalker STK-5S

* Hardpoints:
* Left Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile
* Left Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Torso: 1 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS
* Right Arm: 2 Energy, 1 Missile

I am confused as well as to why the variants are so...redundant.

If anything, the 5M loses to the 5S because it has a center torso energy slot and that could be problematic slot-wise to load heavier energy weapon (ppc).

The 5S has it all... excellent defense from dual AMS, the same 6/4 enrgy/miss setup and the same armor settings.


Unless the variants have different armor values for the arms there is zero reason for people to take anything but the 5S. The 5M's extra missile slot does not compensate for the loss of one energy slot plus the severe limitation of a 2nd energy slot in the torso.

[Sennin]

Hey Red where are you getting this hardpoint info from?