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[Dead Fury]

I used to make in the upper 200-250k c-bill range after repairs, now, with the new system I go match for match and make 100-140k..

Should I be making about the same as I was before if I am supporting the team, spotting, and getting assists? Why am I punished now? And why is everyone saying that they are making about the same?

I am sure there are others like myself that are not making nearly the same they once were.

Proof (This is in my Hunchback 4P) in an PUG from before the last patch.

http://i.imgur.com/bPgyu.png

Edit: This is a screen cap from one of my video in case anyone is wondering.

Edited by Unstruck Fury, 22 December 2012 - 12:40 PM.

[Cygone]

Basically if you were a God at this game when R&R cost CBills, you are now worse off.

If you were semi decent and used a Laser boat you are worse off.

For the other 99% of people, they make more money cause nearly everyone sucks at MWO.

[Vassago Rain]

Unstruck Fury, on 22 December 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

I used to make in the upper 200-250k c-bill range after repairs, now, with the new system I go match for match and make 100-140k..

Should I be making about the same as I was before if I am supporting the team, spotting, and getting assists? Why am I punished now? And why is everyone saying that they are making about the same?

I am sure there are others like myself that are not making nearly the same they once were.

Proof (This is in my Hunchback 4P) in an PUG from before the last patch.

http://i.imgur.com/bPgyu.png

Edit: This is a screen cap from one of my video in case anyone is wondering.

Yeah, and then they'd charge you anywhere between 40 to 220k for repairs and rearm. It's true you could skip paying for a lot of that, but...

You weren't making as much money then, as you are now, if you weren't in a light.

[Thorn Hallis]

Back in closed beta I made so much more....and paid that much more for R&R.

[superteds]

Meh i miss the extra income running premium and a founders, but you know what - if it makes the game less tedious for 95% of the rest of the playerbase, i don't really care. I'd rather have a game with a happy and healthy community than one with really rich founders/premium runners, and very poor and annoyed F2P'ers.

[Apoc1138]

On a really good round, I used to make 300k and have 50-90k in RnR... now on a really good round I make 250-270k with no RnR... I also used to have rounds where I would make 120-150k and Ave up to 150k in RnR (not loss)... now I make a minimum of about 60-80k... on average I am about the same now... except rounds are quicker and fightier as deliberately hiding and trying to cap is no longer a primary tactic

[Zero Neutral]

Income is normalized for all players. Every one is subject to this new system. Therefore, you are just pulling at straws. Depending on what build I use, I either make more or less than previously.

You didn't do a ton of damage that game. I had a 1283 damage game where I made over 200k c-bills... seems ok to me. I am making a million c-bills about every 6 games.

[Zeke Steiner]

OP, if you made that match money per match before they implemented the economy change, than you should be sitting on hundreds of miillions of c-bills. Why do you need to make that much per match now. The games not about making c-bills, its about destroying things in a mech.

Back when R&R was around, If I lost a match I would be making something like 15k. Now if I lose a match I make a little over 40k. If I win a match, usually something like 110k. Why are so many poeple complaining, in reality your still making about the same amount of c-bills even with the economy changes.

[SpiralRazor]

I see discons still, but suicide farmers are gone.

[Zyfe]

Vassago Rain, on 22 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Yeah, and then they'd charge you anywhere between 40 to 220k for repairs and rearm. It's true you could skip paying for a lot of that, but...

You weren't making as much money then, as you are now, if you weren't in a light.

WRONG.

I used to make as much as OP, in a light or a heavy, with a repair bill that NEVER got higher than 60k. Repeat, 60k was the MAX.

They took about 100k earnings off of people that used to make this much, it's sad.

[De La Fresniere]

It's true that some people (mostly those who had low repair costs and high C-bill bonuses) make less cash after the patch.

But I'd say that's a very small minority. Few people would be willing to pay 15 bucks a month for Premium (you can get a whole game for that price nowadays), so bonuses are usually limited to 25 or 30%, and repairs usually cost a lot more than 40,000 on average given that a regular player will die 75% of the matches they're in (practically always on a loss, and roughly half the time on a win). Even my Commandos cost me 66,000 on a death, and my Centurion cost 142,000, averaging at a bit over 3/4 that cost (50,000 and 110,000 respectively).

So not only do most people make as much money, but the side benefits are fantastic. People actually try to play decently now, and exploitation has dropped drastically. No more worrying about what mech you can afford to run, or how you'll start making less money once you've earned a "better" mech.

Good performance could be rewarded just a little bit more, but the patch is a huge improvement overall.

[Dead Fury]

Vassago Rain, on 22 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Yeah, and then they'd charge you anywhere between 40 to 220k for repairs and rearm. It's true you could skip paying for a lot of that, but...

You weren't making as much money then, as you are now, if you weren't in a light.

No, when I won a match with 270k for example, my repair and rearm was only 40k AT MOST. which left me with 230k profit...

Please read the entire post.

[Dead Fury]

Zeke Steiner, on 22 December 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

OP, if you made that match money per match before they implemented the economy change, than you should be sitting on hundreds of miillions of c-bills. Why do you need to make that much per match now. The games not about making c-bills, its about destroying things in a mech.

Back when R&R was around, If I lost a match I would be making something like 15k. Now if I lose a match I make a little over 40k. If I win a match, usually something like 110k. Why are so many poeple complaining, in reality your still making about the same amount of c-bills even with the economy changes.

Hundreds of millions? Lets say I average a 200k profit after R&R. It would take me 500 matches to make 100 million in cbills. Maybe for those who sit and play 24/hrs a day thats possible, but I have other things I need to do, I dont play every day either..

That and I buy and sell mechs often after I get bored of one since I dont have the MC to buy more mech bays.

[EnigmaNL]

I make less c-bills since the last patch as well. It really annoys me.

[Vassago Rain]

Unstruck Fury, on 22 December 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

No, when I won a match with 270k for example, my repair and rearm was only 40k AT MOST. which left me with 230k profit...

Please read the entire post.

See, I know for a fact you're lying, and have tons of screenshots in the thread that led to the improved economy to prove it.

[Dead Fury]

Vassago Rain, on 22 December 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

See, I know for a fact you're lying, and have tons of screenshots in the thread that led to the improved economy to prove it.

Um no.. im not lying. Not everything has a rearm bill. I had repair bills only on my hunchback and it rarely if at all went over 40k for the repair...

It is only improved for some people, other like myself, are making less. I know how much I was making before and I know how much I am making now. If I were still making the same, I wouldnt have made this thread.

Oh and "Tons of screenshots in the thread to prove it" by tons you mean 1 screenshot, which is mine.

Edited by Unstruck Fury, 22 December 2012 - 03:39 PM.

[Aurien Titus]

So the answer is everyone run low cost 'mechs and never lose? Easy. We'll make sure to have PGI implement that next patch. Thanks for solving the economy issue.

[Rippthrough]

Unstruck Fury, on 22 December 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

It is only improved for some people, other like myself, are making less. I know how much I was making before and I know how much I am making now. If I were still making the same, I wouldnt have made this thread.

Oh don't worry, if he doesn't quite agree, you must be lying, seems to be his standard reply.

[Fiona Marshe]

My primary 'mech is a Cat-C1 with 6 tons of LRM ammo and quite a few upgrades. Pre-patch, a loss was ~100k c-bills and a win was ~230k c-bills. Even when I was shredded and killed, I only had a ~45k repair bill.

Post-patch, I'm making ~30k for a loss and ~80k for a win. I'm not playing an ECM scout (for spotting bonuses), nor a brawler (for raw damage), so have been heavily punished for playing as a TEAM PLAYER that supports the group.
The huge emphasis on raw damage and crits caused has shifted the emphasis onto assault brawlers too much.

I've also been running a Stalker-5S for a few days, and the only times I've scored more than 100k, was when I ignored my LRMS and got stuck in at close range with SRMs/lasers. This is not a good outcome for team play and the MW universe.

[Elkarlo]

Unstruck Fury, on 22 December 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

No, when I won a match with 270k for example, my repair and rearm was only 40k AT MOST. which left me with 230k profit...

Please read the entire post.

I just made something for FUN.

I converted your OLD Economy Earnings from the Picture to the NEW Economy Earnings

Win: 25,000 CB
5 Kills: 25,000 CB
1 Kill Assist: 7500CB
9 Component Destructed: 22,500 CB
4 Spotting Assist: 10,000 CB
Damage Done: 14,400 CB
Salvage Bonus: 51,095 CB
Premium Bonus: 77,747 CB
Total: 233,242 CB

This would be the Earning if you had done THIS Game in the New Economy

So you say about 40k RnR..
So you earned between 232k and 250k in the old system after RnR.
In the New System you earned with the same GAME 233,242 CB


It is very simple because now EVERYBODY Fights because only it's the ONLY WAY to earn money, the WHOLE Money in a Game is the same but it is shared between MORE people as MORE people FIGHT.

And that is the Reason why they changed Economy.

On 18th and 19th i had still the 220k-230k earning games, then all the OTHER started to WORK for Money as well..
And thats the reason why you earn NOW less, because EVERYBODY out there WORKS and is MORE ACTIVE.

Look at the Table, you 4 did all the Fighting. Thats the reason for the High Earnings.

Edited by Elkarlo, 22 December 2012 - 04:17 PM.