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[Gulinborsti]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:

ECM does need more veriety in what can use it. Take it away from the D-DC as ECM was not on it in Canon since there is a Canon ECM Assault now.

ECM needs to be slightly nerfed and/or more options to counter it introduced. Currently I would rather not have another ECM wielding assault ...

Edited by Gulinborsti, 19 December 2012 - 05:43 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Well if it had more ways to defeat it then it wouldn't be worth using I'd think. As is it only affects the nearest Mech. That is a fairly big Nerf. I saw many LRMs flying yesterday. It made my heart both soar and sink! Then Thankful for my 2 AMS Stalker!!!!

[Jadel Blade]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Well if it had more ways to defeat it then it wouldn't be worth using I'd think. As is it only affects the nearest Mech. That is a fairly big Nerf. I saw many LRMs flying yesterday. It made my heart both soar and sink! Then Thankful for my 2 AMS Stalker!!!!

I dont think thats true. When I read that in the patch notes I thought they might have made a decent change to ECM. However I think it means when its in ECCM mode it only counters the closest mech.

[Joseph Mallan]

Could be. But I am seeing many LRMs killing folks all over the battlefield. Still the Stalker is the second Mech we have that has an official ECM varient... available to this era. It could be introduced as a Hero Mech.

[Noth]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Well if it had more ways to defeat it then it wouldn't be worth using I'd think. As is it only affects the nearest Mech. That is a fairly big Nerf. I saw many LRMs flying yesterday. It made my heart both soar and sink! Then Thankful for my 2 AMS Stalker!!!!

No, the ECCM mode only effects the closest mech. The ECM mode still works and blocks everything like it did before. The reason you are seeing so many LRMs is because a new LRM boat was relaesed and less ECM mechs are being run because people are trying the new mech. In matches where there are multiple ECM, you still see virtually no useful LRM fire.

[Joseph Mallan]

Noth, on 19 December 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

No, the ECCM mode only effects the closest mech. The ECM mode still works and blocks everything like it did before. The reason you are seeing so many LRMs is because a new LRM boat was relaesed and less ECM mechs are being run because people are trying the new mech. In matches where there are multiple ECM, you still see virtually no useful LRM fire.

Very good to know. So eventually we may have a balance between the two I hope.

[AlexWildeagle]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

Very good to know. So eventually we may have a balance between the two I hope.

As a PUGger its still unbalanced towards LRMs. Over half my matches are ECM free but still lots of LRM boats.

Just cause ECM takes away easy mode doesn't make it OP. Anyone who thinks so never played BT and has just gotten use to MWO easy mode.

[Jakob Knight]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Could be. But I am seeing many LRMs killing folks all over the battlefield. Still the Stalker is the second Mech we have that has an official ECM varient... available to this era. It could be introduced as a Hero Mech.

The only time I have seen LRMs doing anything at all has been for the team with the ECM advantage. In the games I have been in since the patch, I have seen at least four Stalkers set up as LRM fire support units be killed without launching anything more than panic attacks (firing at PB range because the pilot couldn't do anything else) because the other team had one or more ECM units.

ECM was never supposed to have this effect, even in the most powerful versions that came with some hefty penalties. That it was introduced into MWO in its current form is really a black mark on the Devs ability to understand their own game.

[Jakob Knight]

AlexWildeagle, on 19 December 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

As a PUGger its still unbalanced towards LRMs. Over half my matches are ECM free but still lots of LRM boats.

Just cause ECM takes away easy mode doesn't make it OP. Anyone who thinks so never played BT and has just gotten use to MWO easy mode.

Anyone who has played BT -knows- ECM as it is implemented in MWO is far beyond OP, and into the realm of unbelievability. In BT, Guardian ECM (the one proportedly introduced in MWO) did nothing beyond interfereing with Artemis and NARC FCS, Beagle Active Probes and C3 networks. That was -it-. It had absolutely no effect on targeting, Streaks, detection, or any of the magical abilities the Devs have given it.

And considering what ECM has done is made the "charge in and blast your guns wildly" mode the only viable means of combat instead of strategic placement of support units, I'd say it has enabled 'easy mode', not removed it.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 19 December 2012 - 08:02 AM.

[Noth]

AlexWildeagle, on 19 December 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

As a PUGger its still unbalanced towards LRMs. Over half my matches are ECM free but still lots of LRM boats.

Just cause ECM takes away easy mode doesn't make it OP. Anyone who thinks so never played BT and has just gotten use to MWO easy mode.

In BT ECM has never had this effect on LRMs and targetting. All it does in TT is counter other electronics that were added to the mech such as BAP, NARC, C3, etc. There were a couple smaller effects but never flat out denial of targeting or locking. What denied targeting and lock was a null signature system or stealth armor when paired with guardian EMC. Both of which had some rather adverse effects for using and activating them. If you are going to make statements about people not playing BT you should at least understand the BT you are claiming people don't play.

[Bagheera]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

It's more a question of why did they put ECM on Mechs that never had a variant with it than keeping it off a variant that has it. I lay wager that it will be a Hero coming in the future.

The stk-3F never had ECM to begin with. The -3Fb is a different (iirc older sldf version that isn't around/or is very uncommon in our timeline, but I could be mistaken) variant. I really wish people would stop conflating the two variants. They are different. The -3F as represented in MW:O is the stock Stalker.

Now about that wager, I said the same thing a few threads ago on this. I just have this bad feeling about it.

[Vassago Rain]

It's doing pretty much the same things it did in MW3.

[Glythe]

Joseph Mallan, on 19 December 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

The Star League Royal Stalker is a modified 3Fb and does in fact come with ECM. He is being real man!

I smell a Hero Mech coming!

It would be a bad precedent to sell a special Hero Mech version that features ECM. That would go against what this game says it stands for...... because let's face it right now ECM is the "I win button". Paying MC for an ECM special variant would be just like gold ammo for world of tanks (before you could buy gold ammunition with in game currency).

Remember that this game threw canon out the window a long time ago. Let's double external armor but not internal armor. "Good idea that will really make the lights better than the Assaults". How about we make DHS 1.4 so that every upgrade only benefits light mechs. "Brilliant!" Let's make all the heavy weapons absolute garbage and let's make the usefulness of the AC/20 near zero as we'll have lasers converge......

[Dakkath]

Question is answered- Closing.