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[p8ragon]

Hi everyone,

So i recently got a flame and I've been trying to find an optimal build for it.

Right now, I have

1 ER PPC (right arm)
1 Large laser (left arm)
1UAC5 (left torso)
3 tons of UAC5 ammo

An XL330, max armor on ct, and both side torsos, and Double heatsinks/endo

What do you guys think?

Thanks!

[Prezimonto]

With a 330XL I'd be tempted to roll with 2x PPC on one arm, 1xERPPC on the other, 3 engine double heat sinks and 1 extra double.

Give you 30 damage alpha with both arms in the clear and medium ranges, the speed the keep medium range, and the ER PPC for long range and short range pop shots.

[AJDux]

Personally I think I might be tempted to go for a second PPC over the LL, I ran a Dragon 1N with a UAC5 in right arm, ERPPC in shoulder and ERPPC in left arm and found it very succesful. However would struggle with anything larger than a 300XL without sacrificing heat efficiency. Perhaps drop the UAC5 to a AC2? But if ur a lover of the UAC then its probably about right then there probably isnt much you would change on it.

Or another suggestion run a Gauss rifle in the shoulder, 3 or 4 medium lasers as backup should run well with a 330, nice sniping platform, however is risky have a gauss sat right next to your head........

But really it looks like a very solid build. +1 thumbs up XD

Edited by AJDux, 08 June 2013 - 11:43 PM.

[kevin roshak]

I assume you want to keep the XL330 since they are so much $ but you can monkey around with the leg armor.

I run a similiar build in my DGN-1C.
(I use a LBX-10 and 4ML vs the MPL)

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...71c68184d094b0e
The DHS are in the right torso rather than the engine to act as crit buffers if/when that is implemented but feel free to put them in the engine.

[Prezimonto]

I've been running 4x ml, gauss with an XL350 and liking it a lot. With an XL330 you could cram a streak2 or an srm4 (lose another .5 tons of armor) and a ton of ammo for a little more short range punch.

I like this build a lot personally, it runs fairly cool, though you have to watch the lasers on hot maps. I've also run with 4x flamers instead of the ML... currently if you pulse them and trade off with the gauss, you can heat up hot mechs on hot maps and use the gauss to kill them. It's lackluster on cool maps though, where mech dissipate too much heat for the flamers to work efficiently.

[Tremendous Upside]

AC5, LRM10, 4MLs has been working for me. With an XL350, ES, FF, DHS and 368ish armor it's got a great balance for damage across a variety of ranges without sacrificing any speed. The AC5 and LRM10 fire together. The AC5 and MLs fire together. Simple, and surprisingly effective.

I've also messed around with subbing the AC5 for a GR with the rest of the build staying the same. You have to drop to an XL300 or less to pull it off, and ammo is much more of a concern - but it's gives a pretty big alpha strike for a dragon (46pts). Obviously it's a risk putting a GR in with an XL engine, but the side torsos on dragons rarely go before the CT and legs will anyways... So it's not a huge risk.

[Brink Contro]

I've tried a lot of builds with this mech. the gauss + 4ml with big engine is definitely solid. this is what I'm playing with atm

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...863cfbf1da54b24

I have the 2 ppc in 1 arm just because I like my firing groups to be seperated on left and right for shooting around corners and what not. it obviously very hot but it's managable with the different weapon group. even on caustic you can chain fire ppc's and then drop back to ac2 +lrm while it's cooling down. Mls are just for lights that get too close.

I'm undecided on the effectiveness of the build but it's interesting to use. Those 4 arm laser points also ache for some boating so you could always look at that pcc or LL builds. Not really my thing but wahtever floats your dropship

[J I N]

Did anyone try something like this:
FLAME 4x LL
It seems to be quite useful for me... not too hot, fast with good damage in medium to short range. Hunt some lights/mediums and take out sidetorsos of bigger mechs.

What do you think?

[Modo44]

It will probably as effective as the same thing on an Atlas RS, i.e. very. You just switch to chain fire when it gets too hot (non-stop welding fun).

Edited by Modo44, 13 June 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[Unrelenting Farce]

JIN1987, on 13 June 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

Did anyone try something like this:
FLAME 4x LL
It seems to be quite useful for me... not too hot, fast with good damage in medium to short range. Hunt some lights/mediums and take out sidetorsos of bigger mechs.

What do you think?

It's really good if you know what you're doing. It demands that you utilize the distance the LL offer, but my average damage per game sits around 350-400 with a 4 LL, 1 MG build (that's my personal touch). I run an XL 300, near max armor, AMS, endo steel/ferro fibrous/double heat sinks in it.

Dragons are tricky business due to how they're designed. But the Flame with 4 LL is a blast if you can keep yourself from getting picked apart (Dragons in general).

[arghmace]

I've been playing a bit with 4 LL Flame. Smaller engine and more heat sinks compared to the one posted above:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a2a44057cbc8e4a

If I were to use XL350 I would squeeze in one more heat sink like this:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8dfc1117defa22f

[Musashi Alexander]

I tend to run with a Gauss (LT), ERPPC (LA) and MLx2 (RA). I often group the ERPPC and Gauss to fire together so I only have two buttons for firing, keeps it simple. I'd normally have a XL315 so speedy enough. I use it as a flanker/sniper if possible but can wade in towards the end of a fight and finish people off.

The 4LL version is also good but I tend to be better at single shots than keeping a long burst on target so the build above works better for me.

Edited by Musashi Alexander, 15 June 2013 - 05:53 AM.

[Sam Slade]

The Flame is far and away the best dragon:
my favorite builds : STD300 engine, AC20(3 tonnes ammo) 4 x Med Las. In my humble opinion this is the best Dragon around

If you're going XL engine then you may as well go max(350). With this engine you can take endo & ferro armor and still get 4 more DHS in the engine slots. I've been running dual (ER)Large Laser, dual Med. Pulse Laser and an AC5 with ammo in the max engine Flame... a very fast DPS machine with the range to make a dangerous flanker

[Gigastrike]

To actually help optimize your build instead of copy-pasting my own (Actually, that's a lie. I run something very similar to that.), I'd suggest dropping the large laser for 3 mediums. You'll lose a bit of range with them (not like you need it with an ER PPC and U-AC/5 anyway), but pick up more firepower and heatsinks to allow you to do more damage before you overheat.

[C A R N A G E]

Prezimonto, on 09 June 2013 - 05:02 AM, said:

I've been running 4x ml, gauss with an XL350 and liking it a lot. With an XL330 you could cram a streak2 or an srm4 (lose another .5 tons of armor) and a ton of ammo for a little more short range punch.

I like this build a lot personally, it runs fairly cool, though you have to watch the lasers on hot maps. I've also run with 4x flamers instead of the ML... currently if you pulse them and trade off with the gauss, you can heat up hot mechs on hot maps and use the gauss to kill them. It's lackluster on cool maps though, where mech dissipate too much heat for the flamers to work efficiently.

I'm with you on the fast dragun packing Gauss and 4 medium lasers.this set up let's you do it all,snipe,flank,assist weak spots,return to base to run off lights and even brawl effectively. In my opinion (and only a opinion) this build is the way to go for the flame.I'm sure other flame pilots have builds that work for them but the flame screams for speed.:-)

[ApolloKaras]

/sarcasm on

Needs MOAR ppcs!

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4f1a95131398901

/endsarcasm


And I agree with Sam, if you're going XL might as well go 350, there are plently of weapons you can mount on that thing with a 350 in it.

Edited by Saxie, 21 June 2013 - 11:45 AM.

[Escorpio]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3341051ee545933

[Training Instructor]

350xl with Gauss + 4xMedlaser
300xl with 4xLarLaser.

Those are the two builds I've found to be the most effective for me personally. Few weapon groups to manage, arms give great conversion for the lasers.

[HansBlix WMD]

Here's a build which uses virtually every critical slot and has decent heat management (have had a tad of trouble firing all four LL at once, be careful!). It skimps on certain armor components (won't say which ones...).

4xLLaser
1xSRM6 + 1T Ammo
XL325 engine with 10+3+1 DHS
Endosteel, FerroFibrous (358 armor)

Having a blast with this. Stay at range as much as you can with the LLasers, then when some obnoxious ***** comes in your face you have some SRM's to greet him with. A funny thing about the SRM6 is that it comes out in 4+2 missiles, so if you keep your aim steady the last two missiles can hit the same component as some of the first four. So it's really a little bit better than a usual SRM6. Does this have something to do with bay doors?

[Yoshiro Kurita]

Sam Slade, on 15 June 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

The Flame is far and away the best dragon:
my favorite builds : STD300 engine, AC20(3 tonnes ammo) 4 x Med Las. In my humble opinion this is the best Dragon around

If you're going XL engine then you may as well go max(350). With this engine you can take endo & ferro armor and still get 4 more DHS in the engine slots. I've been running dual (ER)Large Laser, dual Med. Pulse Laser and an AC5 with ammo in the max engine Flame... a very fast DPS machine with the range to make a dangerous flanker

I love the build Sam uses.. I've used it to very good effect. Lately though I've gone with this build.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...fe25efb909f7050

I wanted to min / max the hardpoints and was dubious at first but i've found it to be hellishly effective.. Speed has always been a key in my builds.. Would prefer to have an xl360 but it ends up gimping my output.

Runs best with full Elite

Edited by Yoshiro Kurita, 06 August 2013 - 04:28 PM.