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[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Paul Inouye, on 20 December 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

Yes... Jump Jets need a vertical thrust buff when you first launch. This will be addressed in the new year (January).

Please keep in mind, the max heights you used to get with jump jets was never intended to be that high. The heights you're getting now are correct. The problem is how long it takes for you to get there. Sorry to say, but until January, you're going to be dragging your toes for about 60m+ before gaining major upward thrust.

So this patch was P1 for JJ and next patch is P2. Keep the good work coming!

[Kaijin]

PanchoTortilla, on 20 December 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Are you autistic ? The head developer just posted in this very thread that they are not fully working as intended.

What's being autistic got to do with anything at all?

[Lootee]

Kaijin, on 20 December 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

What's being autistic got to do with anything at all?

Because if he answers Yes then he has an acceptable excuse for saying everything is working fine "deal with it" about 2-3 posts under where the lead programmer says things aren't working right.

Otherwise we know he's just a troll and to show him the disdain he deserves.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 20 December 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[Kaijin]

PanchoTortilla, on 20 December 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Because if he said Yes then he has an acceptable excuse for saying everything is working fine "deal with it" about 2-3 posts under where the lead programmer says things aren't working right.

I'm still confused, and not because I'm autistic, though I am. I gather he was attempting to be insulting, but it didn't even make sense. It's like calling people g.a.y.as an insult, which also doesn't make sense.

edit: I'm insulted that g.a.y. is considered an insult by the censor.

Edited by Kaijin, 20 December 2012 - 01:39 PM.

[Druire]

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They're not properly working. The maximum 5 JJ on my Jenner-D and it can barely jump twice it's height. They need to be somewhere closer to what the 1 JJ was doing before, and with faster recharge based on how many are mounted. I've got no problem with the TT weight and crits - I approve of such things.

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You do understand that Battletech Jump Jets are supposed to allow a mech to jump over buildings and leap over the enemy line to attack from behind right? The current Jump Jets do nothing of the sort.

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With 5 JJ you need a running start just to clear the retaining wall from the river to the lower city. Trying to jump it from beside it is impossible. To make it up most buildings is how well you can hump the terrain rather than being able to have the normal vertical distance.

The weight is fine. PGI ****** the trajectory and really needs to bring it back to where it was. Needing to hit my jets 300m when running at an atlas to barely clear his head is pointless, I might as well ran that distance as its faster and I don't slow down upon landing. As someone said in another thread, they are hover jets, not jump.

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Agreed JJs are near worthless now. 1 JJ exploit fixed = good. Giving a reason to add more JJs for more performance = good.

Performance of maxed jumpjets in the words of Charles Barkley = tuurble.

You can barely get over little mounds now. Forget about getting on top of most buildings or hopping over a mech or DFA. The Highlander with 3 JJ max isn't going to bury much of anything, unless the Flea is about 4 feet tall.

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hotfix!

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LG Druire

[psihius]

At least make me able to get onto the Cathedral in River City on my Catapult with 4 JJ. I actually wasn't able to get onto the ramp around the Cathedral in G5-G6. So now I have removed them totally from the build, because I can't jump over any building that is as tall as my Catapult, and that's almost every building in River City. I have lost like 70% of my positions from where to shoot people and actually make surprise LRM hits to take the edge from my teammates. Also now shooting targets in the areas where there are buildings is imposible, because I can't get high enough - LRM's just don't fly that high from the ground to fly over the buildings, so they just hit the first more than 5-6 stories high.

Me being an LRM boat, very much relied on that JJ capability to actually get to good LRM spots and be able to put some distance between me and enemy mechs when they chased me. Not to mention JJ provided actual tactical advantage of being able to scale where other mechs could not and make "surprise butsex" kind of attacks.

Maybe the problem with the JJ before last patch was the capability of flying the mech', not jump in it. Maybe that mechanic has to be changed to we actually make a "jump" - a rapid ascension to the required height and some fuel left to smooth the landing. So you can't actually fly forward and easily shoot your targets while gliding. Now you have to start your JJ like 200m before the obstacle to get on top of it and missing by 10-15 meters results in fail if that obstacle height is at the limit of your JJ capability.

Edited by psihius, 21 December 2012 - 07:25 AM.

[Raidyr]

Kaijin, on 20 December 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

What's being autistic got to do with anything at all?

Since "autistic" became a general purpose internet insult.

[rdelta78]

At the moment I'm trying to use 5 JJ's ( maximum ) on my Jenner and i barely lift.

I suggest the vertical thrust of a single JJ to be buffed by 20-30% and fuel capacity by 10% or something.

It seems strange, when I'm using 5 JJ's and cant make a decent jump, even when I'm using all my fuel.

Edited by rdelta78, 21 December 2012 - 07:45 AM.

[Jump Gunnington]

I too have been hurt by the recent change in the Jump Jets, I feel a little betrayed by the game with their performance. I use a Raven with 4 jump jets, and can't make a reliable getaway over a building or even some of the smaller hills. Take-off time is depressing and the max jump after equipping 4 of the maximum of 5 makes me wonder why I spent the tonnage on them in the first place.

I thought that the light mechs, even with one Jump Jet, should at least get to the top of a 3 story building. I hope the rumor about a fix in January comes true, because the Jump Jets have been made a waste of valuable slots on a mech.

Edited by Jump Gunnington, 22 December 2012 - 12:24 PM.

[Major Cockburn]

Kaijin, on 20 December 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

edit: I'm insulted that g.a.y. is considered an insult by the censor.

well it is....

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I tried out 4/4 jets on my Catapult last night(Hate having to dig this still defunct Mech up) and they are noticeably less helpful now. I don't seem to gain as much height as before or as quickly. 4 tons spent on these and they actually do less than before, which is barely anything at all. 4 tons gone isn't worth a rabbit hop's worth of height. I have to spend the entire bar just to struggle to reach climbs that used to be easy. Making us have to pay full weight for full fuel gage is good, but nerfing them at the same time... why did you do that?

Time to throw them away until next patch. But I mostly cheese a 3L, 4P, 4SP, or D DC now anyway, none of which even use jets. You can thank the BS PoS OP ECM for that.

[Murphy7]

Dear PGI,

I need a delta-wing assembly and to be allowed twenty tons of Jump Jets on my Stalker, so that I can go to space.

Thanks in advance,

Murphy7

[hammerreborn]

Murphy7, on 22 December 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Dear PGI,

I need a delta-wing assembly and to be allowed twenty tons of Jump Jets on my Stalker, so that I can go to space.

Thanks in advance,

Murphy7

20 tons of JJs might be able to jump an atlas the way they are currently working.

[John Norad]

My first thought was:"Ok, so you want to have your cake and eat it, too?".

On the other hand.. fixing JJ's and nerfing them at the same time, if that's true, then.. wtf are you devs smoking?
One step at a time, pretty please!

[Rhent]

Codejack, on 20 December 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

Ah, yes, complain about obviously properly working game mechanics so that legitimate complaints about genuinely broken game mechanics get ignored.

Another excellent move in the plan to get PGI to make bad decisions that will kill the game; good job!

Hyperbole.

[blinkin]

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1
^^my thoughts on the subject for anyone who cares

[Goreshade]

JJ's are fine, they just need a slight buff to match the TT. In the table top JJ's gave 30m of jump height and give 30m additional height per JJ. Currently 1 JJ gives no height, you just float for 6 seconds, with 4 JJ's on a catapult, you only acheive 41m height.

FIX TO 30m PER JJ

Edited by Goreshade, 23 December 2012 - 02:55 AM.

[blinkin]

Goreshade, on 22 December 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

JJ's are fine, they just need a slight buff to match the TT. In the table top JJ's gave 30m of jump height and give 30m additional height per JJ. Currently 1 JJ gives no height, you just float for 6 seconds, with 4 JJ's on a catapult, you only acheive 41m height, . Grats on the bad balance change PGI.

FIX TO 30m PER JJ

i don't like how the JJ work either but don't insult PGI just because things don't work perfectly in the BETA. traditionally BETA is a part of the testing and refinement process.

i can't wait until they fix JJ, but even with this problem this is still a great game and i think the money i invested to help them start was very well spent. and when you see jenner and ravens regularly sniping from the tops of satelite towers and skyscrapers, something is wrong. JJ needed a bit of work, so they changed things. when they changed things it did not work out very well but that is to be expected in a BETA.

Edited by blinkin, 22 December 2012 - 11:21 PM.

[Goreshade]

blinkin, on 22 December 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

i don't like how the JJ work either but don't insult PGI just because things don't work perfectly in the BETA. traditionally BETA is a part of the testing and refinement process.

i can't wait until they fix JJ, but even with this problem this is still a great game and i think the money i invested to help them start was very well spent. and when you see jenner and ravens regularly sniping from the tops of satelite towers and skyscrapers, something is wrong. JJ needed a bit of work, so they changed things. when they changed things it did not work out very well but that is to be expected in a BETA.

First, your in a forum thread that is trying to tell PGI they messed up, which is an insult thread for the most part. Second, how do you mess up something so simple to implement in BETA, when they missed it by a mile. Also FYI, the beta bullcrap can stop being thrown around, the game is pretty much live. Open beta is pretty much early game access, your spending money and you keep what you buy. Its live, not BETA.

[blinkin]

Goreshade, on 23 December 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

First, your in a forum thread that is trying to tell PGI they messed up, which is an insult thread for the most part. Second, how do you mess up something so simple to implement in BETA, when they missed it by a mile. Also FYI, the beta bullcrap can stop being thrown around, the game is pretty much live. Open beta is pretty much early game access, your spending money and you keep what you buy. Its live, not BETA.

if everything is so simple and easy and PGI is screwing everything up why not go make your own game that you want and play it instead.

and this is still beta, galaxy map, persistent campaign, many of the weapons and components, etc. are not out. this is like a third of what the game is going to be. so no i do not accept your justification for being a douche.