

Flamethrower Re-Work Suggestion
#1
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:06 PM
#2
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:10 PM
I agree the flamer needs a buff, but just a bit more damage and a lot more of causing the opponent to overheat.
#3
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:12 PM
#4
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:19 PM
So, does it deal damage or does it just provide heat?
Can the napalm ignite to deal damage or generate heat?
Is there a "flame" element to it, or just a goop shooter?
Could it cause a pilot to not see out of window if hit in the face?
Could it wash out, or at least reduced, in water?
Btw, Love you relic..
#5
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:23 PM
However in a desperate attempt to see if it did ANYTHING. I loaded a Hunchback 4P with 10 ports of fire vomit.
I overheated and died. I got hits on the CT and Cockpit to turn yelllow. Or it could of been the Jenners MPL's that was with me.
p.s. I have also done the 3 MG Hunch to no affect as well. (maybe a range boost for the MG?)
Edited by SonOfAgony, 20 December 2012 - 02:27 PM.
#6
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:29 PM
Flamers also cost a whole ton (which would be fine if they actually provided some effect)
I do not think they should deal much or any damage, but if a light were to run circles around an assault..they should have little to no heat dissipation and should overheat eventually. If they decide to do something silly like alpha strike 4 PPCs while being flamed, then they should just stay powered off due to being at around 150% heat permanently.
#7
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:42 PM
#8
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:43 PM
SonOfAgony, on 20 December 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:
However in a desperate attempt to see if it did ANYTHING. I loaded a Hunchback 4P with 10 ports of fire vomit.
I overheated and died. I got hits on the CT and Cockpit to turn yelllow. Or it could of been the Jenners MPL's that was with me.
p.s. I have also done the 3 MG Hunch to no affect as well. (maybe a range boost for the MG?)
I did this same thing in CB except for the overheating, had some fun groupings that I could play with and prolong the heat. Even in Caustic, where I thought I'd be invaluable, I only ever recall shutting down 2 mechs.
#9
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:56 PM
The plasma that is redirected is the same as that that runs through the engine's tori (as BT/MW Fusion Engines seem to be generally based on toroidal real-world devices called tokamaks) to generate the electricity that powers the 'Mech,
If flamers really need a "buff" to appear/be more useful/attractive (by playing up the weapon aspect of its nature), one plausible and (IMO) reasonable way to do so would be to make it a "two-fer" weapon - that is, the Flamer can be made to deliver both damage and heat to a target (instead of one or the other), while still being balanced (read: more difficult to abuse) by it's flaws (relatively high heat to the firing 'Mech, short effective range).
Also, players could be allowed the choice between a higher-heat, infinite-use "standard Flamer" and a lower-heat, finite-use, ammo-explosion-risking "Vehicle Flamer".
Your thoughts?
#10
Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:58 PM
Step 1 - Get in face
Step 2 - Flame
Step 3 - ???
Step 4 - Dead mech, next target
#11
Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:00 PM
Make one flamer viable, you make 9 Flamer Hunchbacks ungodly terrifyingly overpowered lol.
I think the trick is, get it so one flamer is decent at causing heat, but that multiple flamers only do so much more damage / heat.
Make 1 or 2 flamers more than a nuisance, but 3+ flamers not "you are shut down and never starting back up."
#13
Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:04 PM
Relicide, on 20 December 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:
It has been said a thousand times over that the MG and Flamer needs a buff.
MG's need to have their rate of fire increased by 5x and if possible, the range maxed out to 300m, and their crit-rate tripled. That way the MG's arent anti-armor unless you manage to really spray 1000 rounds on one spot... but its an excellent section popper if you rip the armor off.
Flamers oth, need to have the same crit-seeking after armor is stripped ability BUT limited to 90m and they should generate at minimum 2% heat per second on target mech. Flamer also should not generate more heat to the unit firing it than it does to the target.. a flamer should heat the user's mech by 50% of what it does to the enemy mech. After all, a flamer uses fuel and reactor not just reactor.
#15
Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:07 PM
Soy, on 20 December 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:
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You mean my Flamer wasn't roasting mechs in 5 seconds all by itself?
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*uninstalls*
im sure it was causing a measure of confusion and perhaps panic, since most players probably have never seen one in action. i tried a 9 flamer hunchback before. on the ice map, I had enough heat sinks to basically spam them the whole game, and I didn't die. I did 90 damage

#17
Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:10 PM
Bluten, on 20 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:
You can sit next to an enemy with 2 Flamers for a full minute WHILE they're shooting and accomplish nothing. Just an FYI.
Depends on the mech, really.
Really hot builds are affected by flamers, doubly so on caustic.
If your heat rating is 1.0 or higher, then for the most part, flamers mean "Oh, I fire one less medium laser every few minutes, the horror!"
#18
Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

not alot of fun. Which is the name of the game no?
#19
Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:14 PM
Then, you add something like a flamer resistance, that depends on the TOTAL NUMBER OF SINKS CARRIED OUTSIDE THE ENGINE.
Now it has a use, a defense, it doesn't work on everybody, and you can't troll or grief the slow targets that everybody is so afraid will be trolled by flamers.
#20
Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:20 PM
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