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[Vexgrave Lars]

My first poll, hope it looks fair and makes sense and isn't garbage.

Feelings about your colors and how you get them.

and.... GO

Edited by Vexgrave Lars, 20 December 2012 - 08:16 PM.

[Kaijin]

Put in an option to buy permanent per mech for somewhat less MC and I'll vote for it.

[ThunderOverWater]

Nice pick for a poll, should clarify things. Add a 'cheaper' checkbox?

I'd pay C-bills for temporary paint, MC to unlock a color, but for less than the price of a mech bay.

[Bishop Steiner]

Well... my thoughts were something along the lines of Purchasing the basic schemes and individual colors for various modest MC costs. But once bought, they are permanent. Make the Schemes purchased PER Chassis, the colors, once bought, available to all owned chassis.

Have some really complex stuff or "specialty colors" (Reflective paint, for example) cost more to purchase or "unlock" in the first place.

THEN, every time you change it, you only spend a modest (10-25000?) Cbills per paint, maybe varied by the number of colors on the design. (Hey, they don't paint themselves!)

Problem is, my thoughts don't really "fit" any of the options, and IMO, it is not that easy to make a "good fix".

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 20 December 2012 - 08:28 PM.

[Vexgrave Lars]

colorado, on 20 December 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

Nice pick for a poll, should clarify things. Add a 'cheaper' checkbox?

I'd pay C-bills for temporary paint, MC to unlock a color, but for less than the price of a mech bay.

Permanent Per Mech and Cost Less MC

Yes??? your description is a little more specific, I see. but the general is "Cheaper"

Edited by Vexgrave Lars, 20 December 2012 - 08:28 PM.

[ThunderOverWater]

Separating the permanent debate from the cost debate would keep things simpler. There was a poll on price and it was overwhelmingly one-sided.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

The edit cost would be fine if all the colors didn't cost MC only. There's no way to buy any of them past the first 5 or so with C-Bills, and that sucks. So if you buy an MC color, then edit it to something else, you're paying a second fee and that first one just went to the toilet. Nty. I'm not buying any MC skins, at all, until this is changed. They're already gouging us for garage slots. Now they want MC for every single skin edit change too? Either drop the slot cost, make every color shade(not skin designs) C-Bill purchasable like Mechs, or allow them to be toggled for free once you own multiple colors. They should have just let every basic color be bought/edited with C-Bills then charged MC for the fancy skins like Phranken. But they want MC for everything, and even more if you want edit it later, and then 3x if you work 3 variants. Nty. I'll just pay 1M and slap a Steiner blue to my rides.

I actually priced out Phranken with 3 edited colors. It's 1,125MC. That's almost 4 garage slots I could have gotten with that, plus more if I want to edit a color later or apply it to 3 variants for a Mech. Nty. If this fee covered 3 variants or could be moved to other variants of the same Mech type at will, it'd be more reasonable, but it doesn't. If I didn't have to pay for Mech slots, it'd also be more reasonable, but I do. Nty Nty Nty.

Edited by Bluten, 20 December 2012 - 08:38 PM.

[Vexgrave Lars]

I'm mostly indifferent so keep them coming! How my mech looks doesn't matter because I can never see it in game. The best camo is often just looking as poor as you can be LOL.

I want this to voice the opinions and desires of the customer base that IGP has.

And I know I didn't cover everything, there's just not enough room in my head for all of it, maybe in the next poll we can use this one to collect options and ideas. So please post if you have ideas that are cost effective for the players and plausible for the dev/publisher.

[Tzukasa]

It should be perm, trasferable and cheaper than current. I feel like most of the time the MC costs overall are price gouging and its very discouraging.

[anonymous175]

MC for patterns and decals (perm), C-bills for the actual paint jobs.

I wouldn't mind alternative stylings as well like battle damaged or whatever other "skins" there would be. Kind of like how Founders mechs are.

Beaked Space Marines!

Edited by Zeno Scarborough, 20 December 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[Ozric]

I would pay MC for patterns, paints and decals if I could keep them, otherwise I don't expect that I will re-paint anything. Mechs need their own wardrobes, and all patterns saved for the life of the mech. I would be happy to pay MC for the patterns and decals on a mech by mech basis, but I feel that paint would be better as a universal 'unlock' for MC. Repainting and using colors you already own should only have a Cb cost.

[Vincent Lynch]

permanent OR cheaper.
also make more colors available with cred, they can still have some patterns available for MC only.
currently I won't buy any paint job, neither with creds nor with MCs.
at the moment even a totally basic paint job costs nearly as much as a commando, and ...
<edit> I don't like the colors. I don't like the colors which are currently available for creds. </edit>

Edited by Vincent Lynch, 21 December 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[JebusGeist]

I chose the buy permanent with higher pricing option. Honestly though I don't think the pricing needs to be higher. Being able to unlock 2 different camo specs for 1 mech means I paid for 2 different camo specs for one mech. Currently I have no reason, and am actively discouraged by the system, to have one mech variant with more than one camo spec.

I currently have a design I want for a CN9-D, I have not bought it yet. I would have bought it but the nature of the system encourages me to be very frugal and deliberate for a long time on if I really want to have that paint job on that mech for the duration of my time in this game. The chance that a better camo pattern or color will become available makes me hesitant to buy now. It discourages thinking in terms of camouflage tailored to your environment and instead encourages me to just buy one paint job flashy and cool enough that you won't mind keeping it forever, forget any sense of utility (camo becomes a misnomer). Repainting the mech is an option, but I just know throwing the original paint job I paid for into the digital trash bin is going to illicit some buyers remorse.

So, the chance they might come out with a more metallic looking golden color for the design I want, or a pattern that my colors look better on, means I'm hesitating to buy now. If I was able to pay the same price they charge now to create a permanently saved preset which is usable by that variant and only that variant, I would go buy it right now Then later when other patterns and other colors come out if one catches my eye I won't hesitate to add it to the presets for that variant (actually I have an alternate color scheme for the pattern in mind already). With every preset I'd be perfectly happy paying for each color I use and each pattern I use, even if I already have the same pattern/color in another preset for that variant.

If it worked that way, I'd definitely have paid for one paint job on my CN9-D already, would probably pay for a second one within the next month or two, and might pay for even more in the future as stuff is released.
As it stands now, I might eventually pay for a paint job on my CN9-D after 3-4 more camo patterns and some more colors are released. Once I have painted that mech, that will mark the point when PGI has earned the maximum amount of money they could from me in relation to that mech and the mech bay it is in. That is a pretty limited earning potential.

Edited by JebusGeist, 21 December 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[Karyudo ds]

Vincent Lynch, on 21 December 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

at the moment even a totally basic paint job costs nearly as much as a commando, and ...

I'd be happy if buying colors with MC let me AT LEAST swap them with CB even if it does cost my a Commando, I wouldn't have to pull out the wallet. At this point I'm glad I picked up that PC gamer because for that $7 I can swap those 3 colors and that skin (on applicable mechs) in freely. Seems like how the rest should work.

Personally I'd also like to see Unit color support. Maybe let Units buy colors at a bulk price letting members us them free or at least for CB. Not expecting much till the store tab starts working but this business model just isn't grabbing my spending yet.

[stjobe]

"Painting my mech is not critical to my enjoyment", therefore "Current method is acceptable".

N.B. I've painted two of my 'mechs; one with C-Bill paints, one with MC paints.

[Sam Slade]

Make 'skins packs', like the PC Gamer skin, available as a permanant buy for MC. So you spend x amount of MC and have a Liao or Marik or Draconis or whatever 'skin pack' available to all your mechs. You could sell them in levels of prestiege: the best one includes three colours, two decals, a banner for your cockpit and a new House themed 'camo' pattern, the middle level has three colours and a single decal, the lowest level simply unlocks the colours.

These packs could slowly be expanded to include player based merc groups and house units: so a player based House unit may buy the middle level Davion Pack and also buy a Decal with their Merc Corps insignia... and maybe a different Camo. A Merc corp member may buy a single three colour one decal pack and a specific camo scheme.

Sell things in bundle deal and people will like them more.

[8CH Trooper]

I got 2 basic colors (there are 4) for my Atlas and it was just over 600K cbills and didn't cost any MC, I could see a one time cost(cbills) for certain paint jobs or patterns with a minimal cost(cbills) for changing colors. If you want decals or that real fancy paint job then I could see them charging real money for it.

[One Medic Army]

I really like the Phranken pattern, but with how much it currently costs, and how I couldn't re-apply it later if I switched again at some later date, I really don't want to buy.

If I could re-apply later on, freely switch between several patterns/colors I'd previously bought, I'd definitely be spending some MC/CBills for patterns/paint.

[Psikez]

I'm only interested in the free paints I got so there ya go.

Edited by Psikez, 21 December 2012 - 06:07 PM.

[Vexgrave Lars]

Hope this is helping some.

All good answers please keep them coming