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[Revo13]

1. When someone alphas you in the back the very moment a game starts.

2. When a perfectly fresh mech attempts a kill-steal in the middle of a match.

3. When someone crosses your line of fire in order to steal your kill.

4. When a useless LRM boat opens fire at a Jenner, there-by giving away your position.

5. When a scrandom feels the need to victory laser before any engagement is made, again giving away your position.


These are just one handful of reasons why we should always have F/F and T/K possible in this game.


/discuss

[Kristov Kerensky]

Uhm...welcome to MWO, you should d/l the game and try it out, friendly fire is enabled, you can TK, and there's penalties for doing so directly ingame, not to mention that purposely TKing will get you reported and if you do it too much, banned from the forums and game. So...yeah...might I suggest you find and join a team so you won't be banned before next weekend?

[Aerowind]

So basically whenever a scrub of a teammate does something stupid, you want to do something stupid back?

Because even the most braindead teammate is more useful alive than if you teamkilled him.

[DerSpecht]

Revo13, on 22 December 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

1. When someone alphas you in the back the very moment a game starts.

2. When a perfectly fresh mech attempts a kill-steal in the middle of a match.

3. When someone crosses your line of fire in order to steal your kill.

4. When a useless LRM boat opens fire at a Jenner, there-by giving away your position.

5. When a scrandom feels the need to victory laser before any engagement is made, again giving away your position.


These are just one handful of reasons why we should always have F/F and T/K possible in this game.


/discuss

You do realise that "kill stealing" earns you more cbills then killing right?

[Zero Neutral]

I accidentally sent 24 SRMs into a friendly Centurion's back the other day. He was circling my target and ran in front of me at the wrong time. +1 TK.

[Feetwet]

I can tell you why on occasion you will see my perfectly fresh mech engage halfway through a match. The reason: I run a hbk-4g right now with max range of 270 meters. When my WHOLE team engages the enemy at long range with ppc, guass, and LRMs I hide behind cover waiting on the enemy to close. Do you want me to charge alone?

S

[DerSpecht]

Feetwet, on 22 December 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

I can tell you why on occasion you will see my perfectly fresh mech engage halfway through a match. The reason: I run a hbk-4g right now with max range of 270 meters. When my WHOLE team engages the enemy at long range with ppc, guass, and LRMs I hide behind cover waiting on the enemy to close. Do you want me to charge alone?

S

Equip 2 PPCs and start sniping...

[Feetwet]

I pug, which I enjoy no complaints, but pugging it's impossible to tell what the group strategy will be. Can I get 2 ppcs on a 4g?

[Revo13]

Kristov Kerensky, on 22 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

Uhm...welcome to MWO, you should d/l the game and try it out, friendly fire is enabled, you can TK, and there's penalties for doing so directly ingame, not to mention that purposely TKing will get you reported and if you do it too much, banned from the forums and game. So...yeah...might I suggest you find and join a team so you won't be banned before next weekend?

Remove the F/F and T/K then banning is not a problem. Why get banned for doing something that is allowed by the game designers? I could go for banning people that exploit glitches or hacks, but not something put into the game for a purpose.

Aerowind, on 22 December 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

So basically whenever a scrub of a teammate does something stupid, you want to do something stupid back?

Because even the most braindead teammate is more useful alive than if you teamkilled him.

I think of it as limiting our liability.

DerSpecht, on 22 December 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

You do realise that "kill stealing" earns you more cbills then killing right?

The economy is messed up right now, doesn't matter what you do for C-Bills.

Zero Neutral, on 22 December 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

I accidentally sent 24 SRMs into a friendly Centurion's back the other day. He was circling my target and ran in front of me at the wrong time. +1 TK.

"Incoming fire always has the right of way." - WaveWalker16

Feetwet, on 22 December 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

I can tell you why on occasion you will see my perfectly fresh mech engage halfway through a match. The reason: I run a hbk-4g right now with max range of 270 meters. When my WHOLE team engages the enemy at long range with ppc, guass, and LRMs I hide behind cover waiting on the enemy to close. Do you want me to charge alone?

S

No, this was a 4P.

DerSpecht, on 22 December 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Equip 2 PPCs and start sniping...

I have 2 PPC's, they are OK at range. I prefer SRM6 to bring down the enemy, completely negates the ECM.

Love it.

[Feetwet]

I love my hbk-4sp (srms dont need lock) but I don't really like the 4g I'm running. Can't wait to finish leveling it. I hate it when I stray into a teammates lof. It's like locking your keys in the car, you know you have made a mistake right before the door closes.

[Revo13]

Feetwet, on 22 December 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

I love my hbk-4sp (srms dont need lock) but I don't really like the 4g I'm running. Can't wait to finish leveling it. I hate it when I stray into a teammates lof. It's like locking your keys in the car, you know you have made a mistake right before the door closes.

My 4SP-Elite dominates. My favourite is catching the 3L-Laggers and pop them. Atlas kills are just not as gratifying as they once were.

[Khanahar]

With the caveat that this is obviously a troll, this is as good a place as any to remind people that intentional FF is always despicable (and bannable as griefing). PGI do ban griefers. Don't do it.

It's also really bad sportsmanship.

Incidentally, this is a team game and there's no such thing as a kill steal. Worry about the win, ignore your K/D. When you take the win seriously, the K/D has a way of working itself out just fine.

[Aegis Kleais]

Revo13, on 22 December 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

1. When someone alphas you in the back the very moment a game starts.

2. When a perfectly fresh mech attempts a kill-steal in the middle of a match.

3. When someone crosses your line of fire in order to steal your kill.

4. When a useless LRM boat opens fire at a Jenner, there-by giving away your position.

5. When a scrandom feels the need to victory laser before any engagement is made, again giving away your position.


These are just one handful of reasons why we should always have F/F and T/K possible in this game.


/discuss

1. This is a fault of the player. The gamer will never once fire when a command is not given. They either alt tabbed out and upon refocusing the game, pressed the fire button. Much can be done to offset these instances, but it is no fault of the game.

2. There is no such thing as a "kill steal". Many people with anti-team mindsets have this issue. No kill is yours. Enemies are enemies of the team, and, kudos to PGI, kills actually are warranting you less points than assisting. People who are more concerned with KDR than playing to win will have this issue, and until they develop a more sound tactical knowledge of what is and what is not important, they'll always adopt the belief that kills are due to them.

3. Poor battlefield awareness is the culprit here. Either the player was not aware of whom he crossed into the line of fire with, or the player who fired on his back was not aware of the player moving into his firing line.

4. Move away from the LRM boat. He's not under your command, and you should not assume that he is intelligent enough to keep the element of surprise.

5. Just another person who doesn't seem to understand the effect to their cause. Whatcha gonna do? Lots of tactic newbies out there; we were all as such at one point in our lives.

[Revo13]

Khanahar, on 22 December 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

With the caveat that this is obviously a troll, this is as good a place as any to remind people that intentional FF is always despicable (and bannable as griefing). PGI do ban griefers. Don't do it.

It's also really bad sportsmanship.

Incidentally, this is a team game and there's no such thing as a kill steal. Worry about the win, ignore your K/D. When you take the win seriously, the K/D has a way of working itself out just fine.

I don't worry about K/D, it means nothing. 8-man drops against pugs will give an impossible 30 K/D. I've seen it.

It would be griefing me for shooting me and not being a team player, instead of wasting PGI's time with this little squabble I will take it upon myself to limit the group's liability with the nonsensical players.

I'm just glad that PGI put FF and TK in for us to regulate our games by ourselves.

Thanks, PGI!

[Argann]

Revo13, on 22 December 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

1. When someone alphas you in the back the very moment a game starts.

2. When a perfectly fresh mech attempts a kill-steal in the middle of a match.

3. When someone crosses your line of fire in order to steal your kill.

4. When a useless LRM boat opens fire at a Jenner, there-by giving away your position.

5. When a scrandom feels the need to victory laser before any engagement is made, again giving away your position.


These are just one handful of reasons why we should always have F/F and T/K possible in this game.


/discuss

Op has used the phrase Killsteal, he is not a team player, please disregard all he has to say,

[Revo13]

Argann, on 22 December 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Op has used the phrase Killsteal, he is not a team player, please disregard all he has to say,

I am more of a team player than you know. Play on my team and you will see.

Happy Hunting!

[Zero Neutral]

Accidents happen... I clicked back in to MWO and hit a Cat in the leg with the last tick of my medium laser for less than 5 damage. In response he turned around and alpha'd me with over 90 damage worth of SRMs... was this, "limiting liability?"
If stats were public and more robust, we could see just how many times the OP has team killed and how much overall damage he has done to the team.This type of behavior is akin to road rage after being simply honked at.

Edited by Zero Neutral, 22 December 2012 - 01:31 PM.

[Barnaby Jones]

Revo13, on 22 December 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

4. When a useless LRM boat opens fire at a Jenner, there-by giving away your position.

As opposed to waiting till the jenner discovered you, and reported your specifc location, formation, and composition.

I guess I shouldn't point out how a LRM boat firing at the jenner is EXACTLY what he should be doing, since you obviously think they are useless.

Learn to stop blaming others for your desire to be a ****, cause it's really just your fault.

[Revo13]

Zero Neutral, on 22 December 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Accidents happen... I clicked back in to MWO and hit a Cat in the leg with the last tick of my medium laser for less than 5 damage. In response he turned around and alpha'd me with over 90 damage worth of SRMs... was this, "limiting liability?"
If stats were public and more robust, we could see just how many times the OP has team killed and how much overall damage he has done to the team.This type of behavior is akin to road rage after being simply honked at.

Was it Revo13 that alpha struck you with 6x SRM6's?

Barnaby Jones, on 22 December 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

As opposed to waiting till the jenner discovered you, and reported your specifc location, formation, and composition.

I guess I shouldn't point out how a LRM boat firing at the jenner is EXACTLY what he should be doing, since you obviously think they are useless.

Learn to stop blaming others for your desire to be a ****, cause it's really just your fault.

We use scouts. The scout's role is to find the enemy team and spot them for us. Firing LRM's from the group makes the job easier for the enemy team. Shoot, they don't even need a scout then. If I am not in command of that mech I am in no way responsible for their actions.

Limiting our team's liability is the only action I can take responsibility for. Rest assured, I am not alone when the rest of my team complains about nub-boating LRM's.

Oh, I mostly drop with four people. The other four are people I don't know, but we all agree.

Go figure.