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[El Bandito]

Feedbacks on how to improve this mech are most welcome.

I am trying to build a brawler Atlas who can comfortably engage any heavies or assaults in 0-500 range radius. My current set-up:


Chassis: Atlas AS7-D

Armor: Standard

Structure: Endo Steel

Armament: 2 LBXAC10 (3 tons of ammo), 2 SRM6 (2 tons of ammo), 2 Medium Laser

Heat Sinks: +10 Standard. 20 total.

Heat efficiency: 1.26

Equipment: BAP

Weight: 95.7 tons (4.3 tons available but no space to put anything)



Thanks.

[Elder Thorn]

why use endo steel if you don't take advantage of the tonnage in the end?

I think you could achieve the same setup (allmost) on a ddc and even do it better with Double Heat Sinks, 2x LBX and 3x SRM and still have room for 2x Laser

[El Bandito]

Elder Thorn, on 22 December 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

why use endo steel if you don't take advantage of the tonnage in the end? I think you could achieve the same setup (allmost) on a ddc and even do it better with Double Heat Sinks, 2x LBX and 3x SRM and still have room for 2x Laser

Very good point. I used Endo Steel in another configuration to save tonnage and never bothered to switch back. I wanted to test more before I can drop 500K C Bill for switch back.

I am thinking of replaceing regular medium lasers with 2 MPLS to fill the tonnage but do you think MPLS is an improvement over Medium Laser?

I will check out DDC. Thanks.

Do you think LBXs are worth it?

Edited by El Bandito, 22 December 2012 - 07:31 AM.

[Hex Pallett]

Very, very bad. Why waste the tonnage on two cannons that can't even hit the same spot?

Go replace 2xLBX with an AC20, put 2LL in the arms, and buy Artemis.

[Derric Willhelm]

Personally I hate the LBX. Its on paper damage looks great. Outside of 50 meters though you miss a fair few pellets so the damage is artificial. Same holds true for SRM's but to a much lesser degree than the LBX.

The biggest weakness I find with the Atlas is its torso turn speed and manuverability. It is a giant target if you ever run into a open field battle without much option for escapes. For that reason I like to have a few longer range weapons that are still effective up close (large lasers/gauss rifle). I also run a 325 std engine for the added torso twist speed and better turning rate.

Here is a setup that is pretty sound for me:

Engine: 325STD
Heat Sinks: Single
Structure: Endo
LA: Large Laser
RA: Large Laser
LT: 2X SRM6's with Artemis (Artemis keeps the spread tighter and allows effective range to 280m) with 2 tons of ammo in CT
RT: Gauss rifle with a CASE (it does ocassionally blow up) with 2 tons of ammo

Large lasers are some of the best damage for crit slots out there and provide 18 pin point damage being on arms. Gauss is a range monster and 15 damage up close. SRM6's are great for killing CT's and hit well out to 280m with artemis. YOu drop the leg armor to 81 and rest of the weight is spent on heat sinks with a heat scale of 1.17 if alphaing.

If you are really hell bent on using both ballistic slots, UAC5's are tremendious damage with good range. You will have to deal with additional heat and jamming though. To fit it drop the arms to Medium lasers (I would do medium pulse lasers to deal with the lights). Run three tons of UAC5 ammo and ditch the CASE. Leg armor to 74 to fit it.

Pick up artemis either way if you are running SRM's or LRM's. It makes a noticeable difference. You could also change from SRM's to LRM's and run a TAG in the CT. One of my fits is a LRM20 and LRM15 in the LT with a Gauss and 2X MPL's. You will need DHS to run it effectively.

Edited by Derric Willhelm, 22 December 2012 - 07:37 AM.

[El Bandito]

Helmstif, on 22 December 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:

Very, very bad. Why waste the tonnage on two cannons that can't even hit the same spot? Go replace 2xLBX with an AC20, put 2LL in the arms, and buy Artemis.

Ok, I see Artemis in Upgrade section. I will buy it.

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Here is a setup that is pretty sound for me:

Engine: 325STD
Heat Sinks: Single
Structure: Endo
LA: Large Laser
RA: Large Laser
LT: 2X SRM6's with Artemis (Artemis keeps the spread tighter and allows effective range to 280m) with 2 tons of ammo in CT
RT: Gauss rifle with a CASE (it does ocassionally blow up) with 2 tons of ammo

Many thanks.

Edited by El Bandito, 22 December 2012 - 08:04 AM.

[Hex Pallett]

El Bandito, on 22 December 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

Where can I buy Artemis? Only equipments I can buy are BAP and CASE.

Look for UPGRADE tab.

[El Bandito]

Is BAP worth it, considering that I am a short range brawler??

Edited by El Bandito, 22 December 2012 - 08:06 AM.

[Elder Thorn]

El Bandito, on 22 December 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

Very good point. I used Endo Steel in another configuration to save tonnage and never bothered to switch back. I wanted to test more before I can drop 500K C Bill for switch back.

I am thinking of replaceing regular medium lasers with 2 MPLS to fill the tonnage but do you think MPLS is an improvement over Medium Laser?

I will check out DDC. Thanks.

Do you think LBXs are worth it?

If you can manage the heat of the pulse lasers they are worth it if you don't mind the reduced range.
I personally love my Shotgun DDC with dual LBX and triple SRM6 WITHOUT artemis.
In the end its a matter of your personal playstyle, with this beast i love to go toe to toe, i deem my effective range at arround 20 meters, and you will have to stay low until you are close enough.
And even if you are close enough, always pay attention to what is happening arround you and be ready to pull back so you don't get cut off your team

[Flapdrol]

nah, I'd get rid of bap, gets you some more slots as well.

[neviu]

dont put aremis for srm waste of tonnage and slots if your brawling you will be close anway

[Hex Pallett]

El Bandito, on 22 December 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

Is BAP worth it, considering that I am a short range brawler??

Nope. Unless you wanna build a sniper someday, which I think RS does better.

[El Bandito]

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I also run a 325 std engine for the added torso twist speed and better turning rate.

So higher the engine, better torso twist and turn rate?

Edited by El Bandito, 22 December 2012 - 08:35 AM.

[Derric Willhelm]

El Bandito, on 22 December 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

So higher the engine, better torso twist and turn rate?

Yes. The torso twist is dependent upon engine size. Turn rate is based on leg speed. Faster the legs go, the better it turns.

The 325 engine is because it is the next size up that gives a heat sink slot. 300-320 still has only two engine heat sinks. 325 will have three. A 350 will max out engine heat sinks at four but is hard to fit with the tonnage unless you focus on running that engine specifically. With the 325 speed bumps up to 52 kph. Nothing to write home about but its faster than 48 and has the added turning capability.

Edited by Derric Willhelm, 22 December 2012 - 11:58 AM.

[MadPanda]

I would rate your atlas: ♥♥½

Check my atlas guide for my suggestion for different builds.

Edited by MadPanda, 22 December 2012 - 12:42 PM.

[Broceratops]

thanks for bolding lbx10.


i give it a thumbs down. trololo