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[Kables]

Seriously

the 3l due to its ECM is the best variant raven ever the 4x is good but the 2x is terrible


maybe the 2x should get ecm?

[Leggin Ho]

I think all Raven Chassis should be able to mount EMC myself, it's a hallmark of that particulae mech in all the lore.

[Morang]

Module slot, I suppose. It's too OP for RVN-3L to have ECM, higher possible engine rating and 3 module slots - and too lame for RVN-2X to have slow engine and no Jump Jets and poor hardpoints and only two module slots and no ECM. 4 beam hardpoints are of lesser use because of two in arm and two in torso - you don't want your weapons of the same type to be slaved to different reticles on a light 'mech. 3rd module slot should go from RVN-3L to RVN-2X.

I just use RVN-2X as an LRM carrier with Artemis LRM-20 and couple of SLs for last ditch close-in defense. Kinda half-Catapult. Somewhat bored of it, I may wish to switch to PPC or even ER PPC carrier with DHS.

[Big Bad Wulf]

Hell no! The mech is only as good as its pilot. I prefer the 2x over the 3L.

[Redbull102]

Raven 2x is not bad.
Maybe the weakest of the ravens, but not bad.

Used 2 Med Pulse Laser + SRM6 when I mastered the 2x.
The 2 Small Laser + 2 MG + SRM6 is funny. Not as useful as 2 MedPulse, but more fun.

To let all Ravens shine, you need XL, Endo, DoubleHeatsinks. Maybe a Sensor Module.
BAP is not as useful, to much ECM around. Maybe a AMS is more of use, if you have the 1.5tons free.

And all Ravens need to be as fast as possible, only use them with XL245 or for 3L XL295.

Hope that helps you.

And the most useless mech is for me the cicada with 1 PPC and 4 MGs.
Have tried many configs, best is for me the 2 AC2 + 1 Light Laser + 2 MGs....
But with the horrible netcode, lagshields it is not easy to hit with the ac2s. The 1 Small Laser + 2 MGs does not enough damage to hunt fast mechs down, the AC2 are useless against Lights ( delayed shoots + my ping is 110ms-160ms ), and my damage is not high enough to solo a med or heavier mech as long as the enemy pilot is not sleeping or a newby.

Best wishes
Redbull102

[Aepplejoose]

I wouldn't say it's the worst Mech ever, but it does pale in comparison to the 3L and 4X.

[Undergoose]

I find the 4x to be the worst Raven.

On my 2x I run 4 mlas and AMS with the biggest engine. Pretty regular I get over 600 damage/game, but it's a LOT of work.

[Morang]

Redbull102, on 24 December 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

Raven 2x is not bad.
The 2 Small Laser + 2 MG + SRM6 is funny. Not as useful as 2 MedPulse, but more fun.

Are you sure you're talking 2X?

Undergoose, on 24 December 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

I find the 4x to be the worst Raven.

As I prefer to use slow Ravens at range, I find ballistic hardpoints of 4X useful. AC/2 plinker perhaps doesn't do so much damage, but it's good for harrassing enemy snipers and LOS missile boats (even from beyond their effective range in latter case) or adding some damage and cockpit shake to a distant melee while remaining largely unnoticed.

[Kables]

I think the 3L is just to powerful to have the fastest engine good (no the best but very good) hard points

the 2x gets almost the same as the 3L but missing 1 missile slot and the amazing ECM.
at least the 4x gets JJ for some getting away but being stuck at such a terrible speed when the 3L is almost 35 KPH faster is a huge deal.

I think this is where the balance needs to start right with the 3L

[Redbull102]

Morang, on 24 December 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Are you sure you're talking 2X?


As I prefer to use slow Ravens at range, I find ballistic hardpoints of 4X useful. AC/2 plinker perhaps doesn't do so much damage, but it's good for harrassing enemy snipers and LOS missile boats (even from beyond their effective range in latter case) or adding some damage and cockpit shake to a distant melee while remaining largely unnoticed.

Thx Morang

Was talking about the wrong one. 2x Was the 4 Laser + missile one, not the 2 energy 2 ballistic + missile one.
For the 2x ( and not the 4x ^^ ) I used 4 Med Laser + SRM 6 + DoubleHeatsinks + Endo+ XL245. Not sure how many double Heatsinks I used. But I had no problems to get above 400 damage. Think I used only 1 ton of ammo for the SRM6. I tried 4 Small Laser + more heatsinks, but the 90m range was not enough for me.
Medium Laser worked a lot better for me.

Key is not to attack first, but support your heavies and assault mechs. And if you get lucky and a enemy light mech runs in a straight line a SRM6 + 4 MedLaser into his/her rear CT will kill them fast. Versus Heavy/Assault Mechs the 4 Laser are very strong, and SRM6 into a Internal Section can kill them fast.

But you are in trouble when a Light or Medium focus fire onto your raven and you have no teammembers nearby. With the XL245 you are not fast enough to escape. So do not run into the enemy team!

Try to stay close to your slow mechs, support them, if you got a ecm atlas in your team, support him all the time.

Best wishes
Redbull102

Edited by Redbull102, 24 December 2012 - 12:16 PM.

[Mordynak]

Why in the world is this in patch feedback???

Go rant about your inabilty to play somewhere else

[Kables]

Mordynak, on 24 December 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

Why in the world is this in patch feedback???

Go rant about your inabilty to play somewhere else

its called patch feedback therefor i am feed backing the raven from the patch.
****

[Vassa]

Drop the machine guns and ammo, replace one of the medium lasers with a TAG and convert to an SRM2 Streak. Drop in a bigger engine and FF armor. Tie the TAG and your SRM to the same fire control button. You can drop a lot of armor off the machine gun arm and add a couple heat sinks. It's now pretty good at defending heavies against mediums and a tolerable scout in a pinch.

[Ashnod]

Pretty sure there's some commandos that are fighting for this spot to

[ExAstris]

The claim that X mech is the worst mech ever is always false unless it is the CDA-3C that is being dishonored with the title.

Until the buff machine guns, the 3C will always be the worst mech in MWO. I had to strip mine down to a 200 standard engine, put an AC20 in it, and pretend to be a hunchback just to get any good out of the machine.

On the subject of how the raven variants compare, I haven't driven them enough to say for sure. What I do know is that anyone not using ECM on a light or assault is hurting their team. Beyond that, and under the assumption that PGI fixes ECM, I'm not sure which variants are lacking.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Leggin Ho, on 23 December 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

I think all Raven Chassis should be able to mount EMC myself, it's a hallmark of that particulae mech in all the lore.

^ This. No idea why they limited this to 1 Raven variant. This is a Mech specifically built for electronics. The 2X isn't the only worthless one here btw, the 4X is trash too. The ECM is so stupidly OP that there's just no reason to play the other 2 except to build your talent trees. They bring nothing to the table and are just a waste of space. Once you get full Elite on them, you may as well hock them back to the store.

[RadioKies]

The 3L isn't OP, the other two Ravens suck. I find that the Commando's and the Jenners are better then my beloved (but useless in this game) 2X 4X Ravens. The Ravens are a lot bigger then the other lights while weighing the same as the Jenner. They are also harder to keep alive because of the engine limits (Trollmando and Jenners are faster except for 3L). The Ravens are electronic masterpieces but only the 3L is viable because of it's engine limit and ECM. The 2X is worse then the 3L when it comes to firepower, why would anyone choose a 2X over a 3L? I regret buying them and should have gone for the more fearsome and powerfull Commando's or Jenners. The hard to hit Commando-2D with ECM can effictively take out 2 assaults on ít's own! I've seen this many times.

When I play with my Hunchbacks I actively hunt Ravens. With non of my mechs (I even pilot a frggn slowass Atlas) do I fear Ravens, except for when I'm in a Raven myself.

tl;dr the Ravens in this game are underpowered in everything (Engine, size, weapons).

@ Bluten,
Liking your own post... really?
1574 Likes, 2926 posts. Can't wonder but: do you like a lot of your own posts?

Edited by RadioKies, 25 December 2012 - 05:05 AM.

[senaiboy]

Disagree, Ravens 2X and 4X don't suck. Being slow and fragile, they are just not meant to be brawlers or damage dealers, instead they're more a scout than the other light mechs.

I'm using Raven 4X with LRM10, PPC, TAG and BAP with rather good success. I'll usually position myself on a high ground near to my teammates and spot the enemies (with/without TAG), with occasional sniping. I don't often get kills, but I do get a lot of XP from spot assists.

Edited by senaiboy, 25 December 2012 - 08:53 AM.

[ArchMage Sparrowhawk]

Before the JJ nerf, I was able to run a brawler assist/clean up RVN 4x. I could run circles around an Atlas, and jump over it like a bird. Fast lights were pesky, but I could run fast enough and jump high enough over obstacles to lose their tail and prepare a counterattack. It sucked to find out they would disallow ECMs on the 4x because jump jets on a Raven scout are a beautiful thing.

I like the RVN 4x, and I turned the 2x into a 4 Pulse MED + XL 210+ DHS killing machine. Everything has an effective role, you just have to spend the time in the mech lab. I pick up wonderful tips from the boards. I'm playing around with my novel new AC20 Cicada.

Edited by ArchMage Sparrowhawk, 26 December 2012 - 03:06 PM.

[Kables]

i just saying giving the ECM to the fastest variant and more hard points is very unfair to the other 2 variants and that needs to be balanced.

ECM should be on all 3.