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[Adrienne Vorton]

there should only be one (okay 2) way to leave a match...ESC and "leave match" - best if done with a 5 seconds counter (reset button or pulling the power plug can´t be prevented, but should keep you connected for a while this way a disconnected player might have a chance to rejoin for a few minutes plus no chance to escape from dying) which should count as dishonorable before your death, count as death and kill for the one with the killshot... in both match results + accounts KDR...

you can alt+f4 as much as you want as a shortcut in the mechlab/ lobby (or just use the red cross^^) but not during a match...

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 05 January 2013 - 07:01 AM.

[Justin Xang Allard]

blinkin, on 05 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

ok if you intend to insult me then i guess i must drill into your skull how much of a moron you are.

that plug that is miles away from their computer? did you know that the other end also exists on the computer itself? mine is currently 2 feet away from me. should i clock how long it takes me to reach over and pull it out. my guess is less than 2 seconds. all of that information that goes in and out of your computer goes through that plug, so if you unplug it then the information stops. are we learning things yet?

many computers also utilize an interesting little device called a power strip. most power strips have a built in on off switch that can immediately cut power to any devices attached like computers or routers. this on off switch can be very effectively opperated by using a persons big toe. to put it into terms you can understand: it is like an alt f4 that turns off your whole computer except it is one switch instead of 2 keys.

you should also stop reading things that are not there. i said: the core issue is a major flaw in how disconnected players are handled. i proposed absolutely nothing. i pointed out that this problem extends well beyond your weird obsession with two keyboard keys, and that we should focus on fixing the root of the problem instead of removing a keyboard command.

removing alt f4 will fix NOTHING AT ALL. you will get a day (maybe) of normal play until they move onto a new way to quit matches rapidly, like flipping off that nifty power strip device i described above.

you are trying to slap a bandaid onto an amputated limb. and yes i do have to be right when an idea is this thoroughly full of fail.

vv you should talk to Ryvucz you and him would make a great match.
http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

i stated that it could be fixed, but my solution would be faster and easier to do untill they could patch it and test it before release.

that plug that is miles away from their computer? did you know that the other end also exists on the computer itself? mine is currently 2 feet away from me. should i clock how long it takes me to reach over and pull it out. my guess is less than 2 seconds. all of that information that goes in and out of your computer goes through that plug, so if you unplug it then the information stops. are we learning things yet?

yes clock how long it takes to move your computer and unplug the conection. compair it to how long it takes youu to press alt then f4. post results.

many computers also utilize an interesting little device called a power strip. most power strips have a built in on off switch that can immediately cut power to any devices attached like computers or routers. this on off switch can be very effectively opperated by using a persons big toe. to put it into terms you can understand: it is like an alt f4 that turns off your whole computer except it is one switch instead of 2 keys.

do this and let me know how long it takes before you can no longer use your computer. while your computer operates it is constantly recording/changing information on the hard drive. shutting down in the manner you suggest will cause a great many problems.

you should also stop reading things that are not there. i said: the core issue is a major flaw in how disconnected players are handled. i proposed absolutely nothing. i pointed out that this problem extends well beyond your weird obsession with two keyboard keys, and that we should focus on fixing the root of the problem instead of removing a keyboard command.

I have no obsetion with two keys, and i said that they could fix the problem in how its handeled but that it needed to be "well tested"

removing alt f4 will fix NOTHING AT ALL. you will get a day (maybe) of normal play until they move onto a new way to quit matches rapidly, like flipping off that nifty power strip device i described above.

I would rather they did that and had to reinstall their operating system and redownload the game.
if you dont think it will cause problems, restart your computer 5 times, each time wait untill it has nearly booted, then flick your magic switch.

vv you should talk to Ryvucz you and him would make a great match.
http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

i found a link to a video of you responding to my comments....

[Lee]

Disconnects should be a separate stat. If you see someone with 235 games played, 1243 kills, and 5000 disconnects, you know they're a douchebag or have a horribly unreliable connection.

[BerryChunks]

canned wolf, on 02 January 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Wow. Go back, read the thread, then apologize to all the people you just insulted.

canned wolf, on 02 January 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Wow. Go back, read the thread, then apologize to all the people you just insulted.

no u.

Justin Xang Allard, on 03 January 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

Actually i read your entire post, going link dead takes longer. powering down your machine takes even longer because you still must go link dead.

the most used way in pvp games to cheat death.
http://www.urbandict...p?term=ALT%2BF4
http://dayzmod.com/f...porting-alt-f4/
http://www.nowgamer....ltf4_cheat.html

turning it off in programming....
http://www.vbforums....-my-program-vb6
http://stackoverflow...the-application
http://www.festra.co...sages/2206.html

since the unreal engine is simular to java.....
http://en.wikipedia....ki/UnrealScript

something simular to this would do it.....
http://stackoverflow...tab-in-java-gui
as you can see capturing alt f4 is pretty simple, thats why i believe it would be effective. also adding a 2 minute delay to any d/c in combat could be done.

as you can see in my previous reference links that alt f4 is the way most people cheat death in nearly every game. this is because it is the fastest, shortest, most reliable way to kill a program without using a script or 3rd party program to do it.

since mwo is not malware or a virus, turning off the alt f4 functionality in this game would have 0 "windows security" issues.

list of other "windows shortcuts"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449

until a hacker inserts a virus into the game and then there you go.

[blinkin]

Justin Xang Allard, on 05 January 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

i stated that it could be fixed, but my solution would be faster and easier to do untill they could patch it and test it before release.

yes just like slapping a bandaid onto an amputated limb. it is fast easy to do and ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING.

that plug that is miles away from their computer? did you know that the other end also exists on the computer itself? mine is currently 2 feet away from me. should i clock how long it takes me to reach over and pull it out. my guess is less than 2 seconds. all of that information that goes in and out of your computer goes through that plug, so if you unplug it then the information stops. are we learning things yet?

yes clock how long it takes to move your computer and unplug the conection. compair it to how long it takes youu to press alt then f4. post results.

not all of us keep our computers in locked vaults. mine is sitting beside me on the open floor with my monitor on a stand beside it (i don't need to move anything and i suspect i am not the only one who keeps their computer within reach). before it would have been even easier because my USB wireless network card was on one of the front USB ports of my computer. i moved it to the back because i was concerned about accidentally damaging it with my knee.

computers do not have to be kept in a dark pit to be able to function.

many computers also utilize an interesting little device called a power strip. most power strips have a built in on off switch that can immediately cut power to any devices attached like computers or routers. this on off switch can be very effectively opperated by using a persons big toe. to put it into terms you can understand: it is like an alt f4 that turns off your whole computer except it is one switch instead of 2 keys.

do this and let me know how long it takes before you can no longer use your computer. while your computer operates it is constantly recording/changing information on the hard drive. shutting down in the manner you suggest will cause a great many problems.

i listed 2 examples, should i go through every way a connection can be interrupted for slow people like yourself. to be honest i don't think i could list them all, or at the very least it would take me a long time to derrive them.

and i have experienced this: i have had a computer in a power outage several times before. the computer shut down at the same time as the lights.

for those who do not understand: electricity opperates very close to the speed of light. this means that if the flow is interrupted as far as humans are concerned everything will shut off instantaneously. some capacitors will take time to discharge but most electronics do not possess capacitors large enough to provide any major functional power and will shut off immediately anyways, including our good friend the computer.

you should also stop reading things that are not there. i said: the core issue is a major flaw in how disconnected players are handled.

I have no obsetion with two keys, and i said that they could fix the problem in how its handeled but that it needed to be "well tested"

you created a whole thread about these 2 keys, and somehow believe taking them away will solve the disconnect issues.

you still ignored the part of that statement that i left behind. i will make this simple don't put words in my mouth because it just reinforces how much of a moron you are. we have a solid written record of this entire exchange, and i have no issues with quoting anything that has been said to make you look like an moron.

I would rather they did that and had to reinstall their operating system and redownload the game.
if you dont think it will cause problems, restart your computer 5 times, each time wait untill it has nearly booted, then flick your magic switch.

i am sorry that you use an abacuss to play this game, but modern computers do not have issues with removing power. worst case scenario windows complains because it was not shut down properly. power surges can cause issues, but guess what removing power does? it turns off the computer. and since when are they playing matches in the middle of booting? last time i checked most computers spend that time ummm... BOOTING UP.

and just in case: the switch is not actually magic it controls the flow of electricity to anything plugged into the power strip.

i found a link to a video of you responding to my comments....

uh huh... you think removing one key command will fix the disco newb issue, and... i am the moron?

Edited by blinkin, 05 January 2013 - 02:05 PM.

[BerryChunks]

canned wolf, on 04 January 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

No one here got "tricked" into alt f4ing. The discussion is about an abuse of a windows function to prevent your kill stats from reflecting your actual death count.

Blinkinn brought up physically disconnecting your ethernet connection because that is the way systems like this have been abused in the past.

There are an infinate number of ways I can disrupt the signal between myself and the MWO server if I choose to. Removing alt f4 will solve nothing and punish people who use it legitimately. The Netcode is fairly stable at this point, calling a disco a death will solve the problem.

And the same "abuse" can occur by pulling your network cord or turning off the router. Neither of which is solved by removing alt+f4.

Herp moar?

[Justin Xang Allard]

blinkin, on 05 January 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

actually modern do have problems if you turn off the power to them while they are read/writing it will cause issues.
i never said it would fix it. take the time to read the entire posts where i said it would be work untill they could fix it.
something is better than nothing.

btw you still did not time the difference between alt f4 and unplugging the internet.

they should stop recording stats, that will fix the issue.

i didnt put words in your mouth, you look like a moron with out any help from me.

all your doing when you post is trolling.
this is all i see.....

Edited by Justin Xang Allard, 05 January 2013 - 05:36 PM.

[Smegmw]

BDU Havoc, on 24 December 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

I didn't bother to do a search

That much is obvious ALT + F4 is a Windows system key combination and Microsoft is not going to let any third party into Windows to mess with any native key shortcuts.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449

You could get around it by making code to have your application in this case MWO have a keypress of ALT + F4 do something else while the application is active.

ALT + F4 can never be removed as Windows will always detect the key combination and quit program.

Edited by Smegmw, 05 January 2013 - 06:01 PM.

[IceSerpent]

Justin Xang Allard, on 05 January 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

btw you still did not time the difference between alt f4 and unplugging the internet.

My router is on the desk, less than one foot away from where my mouse is - I can power cycle it as fast as I can hit alt+f4 and it takes me about 1 extra second to yank the cable out of it.

[Justin Xang Allard]

IceSerpent, on 05 January 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

My router is on the desk, less than one foot away from where my mouse is - I can power cycle it as fast as I can hit alt+f4 and it takes me about 1 extra second to yank the cable out of it.

so the answer is to not do anything untill they re code the way disconects are handeled?

[blinkin]

BerryChunks, on 05 January 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

And the same "abuse" can occur by pulling your network cord or turning off the router. Neither of which is solved by removing alt+f4.

Herp moar?

IceSerpent, on 05 January 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

My router is on the desk, less than one foot away from where my mouse is - I can power cycle it as fast as I can hit alt+f4 and it takes me about 1 extra second to yank the cable out of it.

looks like there are several people that understand how pointless removing alt f4 is.

Justin Xang Allard, on 05 January 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

actually modern do have problems if you turn off the power to them while they are read/writing it will cause issues.
i never said it would fix it. take the time to read the entire posts where i said it would be work untill they could fix it.
something is better than nothing.

btw you still did not time the difference between alt f4 and unplugging the internet.

they should stop recording stats, that will fix the issue.

i didnt put words in your mouth, you look like a moron with out any help from me.

all your doing when you post is trolling.
this is all i see.....

call me a troll all you like, but that will not make your dumb idea smart.

ok writing can be an issue for that specific file that is being changed, but that only happens when you save something and only to the specific file that is being changed. MWO is an online game all of your mechs and stats are stored online. the only things that are stored on your computer will go straight to RAM. <-even the potential for corruption is entirely theoretical as far as i am concerned because i have had computers through several power outages and flipped off the power switch a couple of times as well. over the years i have never seen nor heard of file corruption from a computer losing power. <-tldr: you don't know anything.

oh and i am sorry that i have not gotten a stop watch and done an in depth scientific study on the split second differences between pressing a key combination and flipping a switch or pulling a plug that is a foot away. my guess is that the difference is less than 2 seconds <-(not enough to matter moron) it was intended to be a statement that would reveal how many other ways the system can be abused that are functionally the same (i made the mistake of expecting you to think, i am sorry).

the answer is to not waste our time on pointless crap, and actually spend that time fixing the issue.

[Justin Xang Allard]

blinkin, on 05 January 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

looks like there are several people that understand how pointless removing alt f4 is.

call me a troll all you like, but that will not make your dumb idea smart.

ok writing can be an issue for that specific file that is being changed, but that only happens when you save something and only to the specific file that is being changed. MWO is an online game all of your mechs and stats are stored online. the only things that are stored on your computer will go straight to RAM. <-even the potential for corruption is entirely theoretical as far as i am concerned because i have had computers through several power outages and flipped off the power switch a couple of times as well. over the years i have never seen nor heard of file corruption from a computer losing power. <-tldr: you don't know anything.

oh and i am sorry that i have not gotten a stop watch and done an in depth scientific study on the split second differences between pressing a key combination and flipping a switch or pulling a plug that is a foot away. my guess is that the difference is less than 2 seconds <-(not enough to matter moron) it was intended to be a statement that would reveal how many other ways the system can be abused that are functionally the same (i made the mistake of expecting you to think, i am sorry).

the answer is to not waste our time on pointless crap, and actually spend that time fixing the issue.

five minutes versus 3 months........ personally its not an issue to me because i have only seen it hapen once. i would rather that they fix bugs and add more functionality.

Edited by Justin Xang Allard, 05 January 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[blinkin]

Justin Xang Allard, on 05 January 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

five minutes versus 3 months........ personally its not an issue to me because i have only seen it hapen once. i would rather that they fix bugs and add more functionality.

yeah i suppose you can do a lot of nothing in five minutes, and it does take a bit of time to do something meaningful.

yes just like slapping a bandaid onto an amputated limb. it is fast, easy to do, and ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING.

[Justin Xang Allard]

looks like we will wait and see if anything happens then.

something is better than nothing..........

Edited by Justin Xang Allard, 05 January 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[Havyek]

Well looks like a bunch of people agree that removing ALT+F4 is a decent idea, but won't stop every possible way of abusing an intentional disconnect, several people simply cannot read and/or understand what they have read, and several more have basically decided that since it's not a magical end-all fix that there's no point in doing anything.


About right?

[IceSerpent]

BDU Havoc, on 08 January 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

Well looks like a bunch of people agree that removing ALT+F4 is a decent idea, but won't stop every possible way of abusing an intentional disconnect, several people simply cannot read and/or understand what they have read, and several more have basically decided that since it's not a magical end-all fix that there's no point in doing anything.


About right?

When you know exactly what the "magical end-all fix" is and it's roughly as easy/difficult to implement as "doing something that is known not to work, just for the sake of doing something", the proper course of action is clear, isn't it?