Void Angel, on 29 December 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:
Fallacy means what it means, not what you want it to. Fallacious logic is bad thought - this last bit is a case in point, and par for the course here.
"Other game" doesn't mean "Not a game set in the Battletech Universe and imbued with the feel of Mechwarrior." "Other game" means, "other game." The tabletop game and this game are part of the same franchise; they are not the same game. That's like saying all members of the same family are the same person. Whether you class this as a straw man, undistributed middle, or a simple false cause fallacy, it's typical of your logic throughout. There is a real and obvious distinction between tabletop Battletech and any first-person 'mech piloting simulation. They are of different kinds.
Now that I look at it, you're committing the exact same error throughout your post as you are in the point directly above this. For example, your definition of a "board game," and "Battletech game" are fundamentally useless - but in opposite ways, depending on how you're using the definitions in argument. In the first instance, a "board game" is so broadly defined as to encompass anything that's related to a certain board game. A 3D 'mech simulation game is nothing more than a glorified tabletop dice-roller - even though the latter contains mechanics that cannot be used in the former. In the second instance, "Battletech game" can only refer to a game made with a 1-1 conversion of the tabletop rules - in other words, it can only be the game you want, nothing else. The definitions you use are tailored to your argument, not the things defined.
Sorry, that's not gonna fly.
"Fallacious logic is bad thought" So I am committing a thought crime by not accepting this bastardization as cannon? Wow, enjoy that koolaid. Fallacious means based upon deception or falsehood. Sorry, but the fallacy is on the other end of my argument.
Just because you wish to enshrine glowing pixels on an alter does not change that it is barely different than little physical miniatures on a map. And to drive that home, battletech the miniature wargame is a 3D mech simulation game. Zero difference there. The only variance in mechwarrior is that it is single mech first person. Otherwise mechwarrior is the same game.
To make it simple; other than your learning to adjust to the presentation to influence the roll of the die, nothing is different than if this were on a table with measuring tape and minis.
Where this version is failing to be battletech is in the math. Regardless of single or multiple mech simulation, the math remains. And this game abandoned it. Active choice, admitted by dev.s whose intent is on their vision, not on making a battle tech based game.
A sub 300 meter brawler is nothing, repeat, nothing like battletech.
Does not make it a bad game, just not mechwarrior.
Licensed can mean, "we take the names and do what we want." and that is what they have done here.
" "Battletech game" can only refer to a game made with a 1-1 conversion of the tabletop rules "
No, but it must be based upon the rules or it is an different game. When heat does not work as designed, when weapons don't work as designed, when equipment does not work as designed, when the tiny suffocating terrain would only be chosen for an engagement by a suicidal mad man, it is not battletech.
" - in other words, it can only be the game you want" Well isn't that special. It is the game Jordan Weisman designed, with more than 40 years of play testing, which is in question. Not what I wanted. I like lots of games. I just want "licensed" product to be true to the license. Not, "yeah, we know but we wanted to tell a different story."
I just think if you want to tell a different story you should not use some one else's cover for your book.
Shake your virtual fist at my purist dogma all you like, this game is not battletech other than names.
No hate, no rage, just accepting that I am enjoying a non-Btech game much like I enjoyed the movie "Arnold the Barbarian" rather than Conan as written by Robert E. Howard.
Kindly follow your assumptions of superior status, simply because it has moving pictures, down the rabbit hole. A miniature wargame remains one, even with mobile graphics instead of painted miniatures. Zero diff.
'nuf said. Good day.
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