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[Daekar]

Ha, if you drop 4-mans against the uber 8-man teams, they'll just drop to 3-man or regular pugging. Forcing people to be steamrolled by those against whom they have no chance is a crappy idea. It's crap for pugs, it's crap for 4-mans, and it's crap for 8-mans. Trying to force people into your target queue is not the solution, especially since they have already chosen not to play against you.

THINK ABOUT THAT. Those pugging or in 4-mans have decided it is more fun to play against others than against you. You know what that means? You're no fun to play against. Until you manage to find people who DO want to play against you, accept that it's lonely at the top, or that your tactics are such that they preclude a good fight.

Man up and learn to fight on your own or with less backup. You never know... you might learn to be a better pilot.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 December 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Yeah sad that we all have to start somewhere, and the Learning curve you are pitying, was once one you were on the wrong end of.

Looking down your nose can lead to sever neck injuries I've heard...

Has not resulted in any severe injuries yet.
If the learning curve is steep, start at the bottom and use what is easiest.

Edited by DV McKenna, 28 December 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

Funny, normally when I play it feels like 1 or 2 v. 8. I think it's about time phase 3 got here and proved me wrong in that: I'm not good... most of you suck.

[SlXSlXSlX]

DaZur, on 28 December 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

8-mans have resorted to pug-stomping because they (other 8-mans) can't seem to collectively agree to not abuse the broken 8-man match making limitations (I.e. "Atlas-fest 2012" or "ECM'-palooza")

Once PGI get around to fixing the MM, they (hopefully) will lose interest in beating on us poor PUGs

I need a signature like that!

[Glory in the Highest]

Daekar, on 28 December 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

accept that it's lonely at the top,

That's the whole point of winning. To be alone. At the top.

[Skwisgaar Skwigelf]

I'll echo what has been said previously, the last time I tried with some of my guys every match was 2-3 Raven/5-6 Atlas all with ECM. That gets very boring so now we pretty much run 4-man groups where there is at least some variety.

[TheMagician]

It's not lonely at the top when you have your teammates with you.

I agree DV, though that might be indicative of other balance issues too. But balance is overrated

It's a hard choice for some teams if they want to play with variety and thus potentially self-gimp, or to try to take what works best to win. I can't really blame them either way.

Edited by TheMagician, 28 December 2012 - 09:36 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Adridos, on 28 December 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

What's the excuse going to be next time?

At first it was: "Sync dropping is hard, but we still do our best in full 8man teams! Against pugs."

Once the limit was implemented: "But we can't play with our friends anymore! 8man or I quit!"

Once 8 mans got implemeted: "All of a suddden, our previous friends dissapeared and it's hard to form a 8 man group. Aaaand the other side cheats, aaaand..."


Like, seriously, you're not even trying to hide the fact all you want is to stomp pugs and can't compete against people who aren't at a disadvantage.

It's hard for people to face their own limitations. And when they hit it it is reality check time. I'm getting old, and I don't have a young mans reflexes any more. But what I lack in natural ability I just have to make up for with Brute Force and Ignorance!™

[Kriestov]

TheMagician, on 28 December 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

8v8s are where true competition is at. Where are the teams? We queued up last night, and had several time-outs, and then we played a couple teams twice, and a third team once. We should be having many teams playing these. 4v4s are not that much fun are they?

I usually schedule two, long session practices twice a week for ourselves(Wednesday/Saturday or Sunday). They take place during NA Primetime and go well into the evening. Anything besides that is either a 4-Man drop, or an impromptu 8-Man. Feel free to queue up during these days/times.

Edited by Kriestov, 28 December 2012 - 09:39 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

DV McKenna, on 28 December 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Has not resulted in any severe injuries yet.
If the learning curve is steep, start at the bottom and use what is easiest.

I prefer to jump in the middle and see whether I sink or swim. Then again, I'm Irish and Polish... Easy has never been my first choice!

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 December 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

I prefer to jump in the middle and see whether I sink or swim. Then again, I'm Irish and Polish... Easy has never been my first choice!

True dat!

[Joseph Mallan]

Glory, on 28 December 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

That's the whole point of winning. To be alone. At the top.

If you are alone at the top you didn't make any friends long the way. Just sayin'.

[Daekar]

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That's the whole point of winning. To be alone. At the top.

So... congratulations? You made it to the top and now you're alone with your teammates. How's the air up there? I ask because I'll never get there and I really have no desire to be alone without opponents in a team game, even if I were good enough to manage it.

You see the problem? Not everyone wants to be "a contender"... we're quite happy NOT at the top of the skill ladder... we just want a fighting chance and a chance for a good fight.

[Corvus Antaka]

no stock mechs. ECM. matches have devolved into atlas-d-dc/raven/K2 gausspult/ilya throw-in for pity.

games dying a horrible death right before my eyes...

Back to Tribes for now.

[Joseph Mallan]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 December 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

no stock mechs. ECM. matches have devolved into atlas-d-dc/raven/K2 gausspult/ilya throw-in for pity.

games dying a horrible death right before my eyes...

Back to Tribes for now.

You have a duty to your Men Col. Now get back in your office and suffer those paper cuts!!!!

[Daekar]

But that's the thing... the game is doing fine.  Lots of people playing, pugs are more enjoyable than they have been at many stages, and a 4-man group is by no means a guarantee of victory.
It's just that people don't want to play the game the way YOU want them to.



EDIT: I would play in stock-config matches. Maybe not all the time, but as long as I could earn XP anx work towards eliting a chassis and make C-bills at the same time, I'd do it sometimes.

Edited by Daekar, 28 December 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[Thirdstar]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 December 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

no stock mechs. ECM. matches have devolved into atlas-d-dc/raven/K2 gausspult/ilya throw-in for pity.

games dying a horrible death right before my eyes...

Back to Tribes for now.

I gotta say it's not encouraging to see so many Founders pack it in.

[Joseph Mallan]

Daekar, on 28 December 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

But that's the thing... the game is doing fine. Lots of people playing, pugs are more enjoyable than they have been at many stages, and a 4-man group is by no means a guarantee of victory.

It's just that people don't want to play the game the way YOU want them to.

That's impossible. Everyone want to lose to ME

[Skwisgaar Skwigelf]

Daekar, on 28 December 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

But that's the thing... the game is doing fine. Lots of people playing, pugs are more enjoyable than they have been at many stages, and a 4-man group is by no means a guarantee of victory.

It's just that people don't want to play the game the way YOU want them to.

I'll agree with this, I have more fun win or lose with 4-man or PUGs than I could with 8v8.

[Trevnor]

Well... we had a group going last night, and surprisingly only had one match fail. Besides that, we where running a very mixed group, My Hunchback, a few 'Phracts, a Cat or two, and only two or three ECM 'mechs, tops. It was actually very fun, we lost a few, won a few, and had a very close and entertaining fight against the Skye Rangers.

Remember everyone, if you want to fight ECM, equip TAG on every build. 750m is hard to argue with. Also, ELO should help out some with most of the issues we are currently seeing. It might not fix it right away, but it should help at least some. Have fun out there!