10 replies to this topic

[RogueGhost]

I would submit as a possible balance to ECM that either a target have a higher base heat level to run all the sophisticated electronics, such as a baseline heat of 20-25%.
this would FORCE mechs to help protect the ecm boat, and they would not be able to brawl nearly so much as they are now.

OR

I would submit that the ECM mech have a 15-20% reduction in total attainable speed, sophisticated electronics dont do well when they are bumped around really hard, so the mechs could be slowed down a bit.

BOTH of these suggestions would encourage the team to protect the ECM boats, and it would cut down on the scouts getting free shots on assaults and heavies by only having ECM. so a scout which could ordinarily move at 120 KPH with a 20% reduction would move at a maximum of 96 KPH. Scouts are hard enough to hit because they are so short to begin with, and moving at 96+ KPH is still double the standard assault speed, and well higher than anything but a medium.

[DocBach]

The heat to use ECM would mimic the heat effect stealth armor suffers from in the table top, which would make sense as MWO's implementation of ECM mimics the effect of stealth armor from the table top.

[RogueGhost]

DocBach i never played the tabletop but i did read the books and i noticed in the books to get certain electronics there were major tradeoffs involved. the books are highly realistic in terms of damage, myomer strength, and total weapons typically mounted on a mech.

[Hotthedd]

It would make sense if ECM equipped 'mechs could not fire targeting missiles (LRMs, SSRMs) while disrupting.

[Syllogy]

RogueGhost, on 09 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

DocBach i never played the tabletop but i did read the books and i noticed in the books to get certain electronics there were major tradeoffs involved. the books are highly realistic in terms of damage, myomer strength, and total weapons typically mounted on a mech.

We're also running at twice the armor values of the TT and Books.

If you want mechs to be shredded like paper, we could go back to those values, but then people would shout about how OP the AC20 is on the Hunchback.

Hotthedd, on 09 January 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

It would make sense if ECM equipped 'mechs could not fire targeting missiles (LRMs, SSRMs) while disrupting.

Not really, since ECM mechs don't scramble their own sensors, or those of nearby friendlies.

Edited by Syllogy, 09 January 2013 - 08:43 AM.

[Hotthedd]

Syllogy, on 09 January 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

We're also running at twice the armor values of the TT and Books.

If you want mechs to be shredded like paper, we could go back to those values, but then people would shout about how OP the AC20 is on the Hunchback.



Not really, since ECM mechs don't scramble their own sensors, or those of nearby friendlies.

ECM scrambles ALL frequencies.

By the definition of the word "ALL", I would argue that even the equipped 'mech's targeting frequencies fall under that category. Otherwise, all an enemy has to do is fire on the same frequency as the guardian-equipped 'mech.

[Syllogy]

Hotthedd, on 09 January 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

ECM scrambles ALL frequencies.

By the definition of the word "ALL", I would argue that even the equipped 'mech's targeting frequencies fall under that category. Otherwise, all an enemy has to do is fire on the same frequency as the guardian-equipped 'mech.

Edited by Syllogy, 09 January 2013 - 09:23 AM.

[Dirus Nigh]

The heat penalty would fit with what ECM is doing now. As DocBach said it is behaving like stealth armor, so it should have the heat penalty of stealth armor.

My solution for balancing ECM is get rid of the long range non-detection. ECM is not supposed to work that way in the first place. Increasing lock on times is fine. If BAP, and TAG bonuses to lockons make it a wash.

[Hotthedd]

Syllogy, on 09 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Well thought out counter argument. Is recess over yet?

[RogueGhost]

lets not be insulting guys, this is supposed to be a legitimate discussion, flamers can go elsewhere.

[Jale]

ECM has to be changed in order to create balance with other equipment, not opposite

Simple

Edited by Jale, 09 January 2013 - 04:45 PM.