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[Cstriker]

Title says it all. Ac/20 build is fun but limited. My old Guasskitty is damn near obsolete with the Gauss nerf. So I need something more viable now.

I was thinking either 4x LLas with 2x AC/5s or 2x ERPPCs (or PPCs I guess...I hate the minimum range) with 2x LLas and 2x AC/5s.

Anyone have some successful Energy based LLas or PPCs build with the K2 out there?

[Ryebear]

Maybe 2 PPCs, 2 UAC 5s and 2 Medium Lasers?

PPCs and UACs at range, MLas (LLas if you can fit them) and UAC up close. Should manage to be able to control heat by separating the engagement ranges of your high heat weapons.

*edit*

Keeping in mind I've never actually used Cats before, and my loadouts are based on your suggestions, but eyeballing them they seem extremely heavy for the chassis

Edited by Ryebear, 05 January 2013 - 01:35 PM.

[Kaptain]

XL300+DHS+4LL is one of my 5 fav mechs!
And without ES I think I fit 8 DHS in the body. So 10-12 at 2.0 and 8-10 at 1.4

Good Range
Good Alpha
Good Speed
Good Armor
Good platform for XLs (small sides only accessible from one side)
Can chain fire the LL at the head of an enemy mech to blind them, scare them and make them turn!

Speed+range allows you to get some awesome damage numbers.

4LL gives you the ability to sunburn small mechs legs off in just a few alphas. Or chain fire them to make the scout think twice.

Edited by Kaptain, 05 January 2013 - 01:41 PM.

[Dauphni]

Yeah, with the way PPC's are right now, the quad LLas looks like the better choice on that alone. I'm rocking it with a 315 XL myself, and yeah, it is awesome.

Here's my build: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...077479f2f41ead0

You can take out the Beagle and a ton of AMS ammo and put in an extra DHS and almost max your leg armour if that's more your style, but really, I'm hardly ever getting legged as it is, nor do I have trouble with heat, and the difference between 18 and 19 DHS isn't all that big.

[Sennin]

As others have said 4 Large Lasers has been a stable build for a while and there isnt much of a downside to it if you have any kind of heat management experiance. With a 300XL using Speed Tweak you can hit 82.2 Kph and Large Lasers are one of the most effective weapons in the game right now

[Soulryder]

Ran with quad LLas for a while. Fantastic build.

[Gigastrike]

Ryebear, on 05 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Maybe 2 PPCs, 2 UAC 5s and 2 Medium Lasers?

PPCs and UACs at range, MLas (LLas if you can fit them) and UAC up close. Should manage to be able to control heat by separating the engagement ranges of your high heat weapons.

*edit*

Keeping in mind I've never actually used Cats before, and my loadouts are based on your suggestions, but eyeballing them they seem extremely heavy for the chassis

I worked with you idea a bit and it seems to work acceptably with 2 large lasers and 2 ultra AC/5s. Actually, that sounds pretty cool.

[Rusty Shackleferd]

Quad Large Lasers is quite the devastating build. However, I have been running a CTF-3D with torso mounted a UAC5 and PPC and have been doing extremely well at range with them. Shooting both at the same time following some timed barrages from the UAC5 steady gets the damage up from its high dps. Adding another PPC or UAC5 can increase the damage output, but i have yet to experiment because I am satisfied with the results.

Keep in mind that using these weapons doesn't require you to stand and focus on your target like the Large lasers. Also, PPCs are in for a nice buff in the future.

[UnseenFury]

2 Gauss or 2 AC/20

FTFU

[Anudiz]

Id say LLas, running around with this setup currently:

CPLT-K2

Results are very nice so far, 400+ dmg most of the time, often 600+
I tried 4Mlas + 2 AC/5 before, horribly in comparison...

[Indolo]

Just bought my K2, and tried doing PPC, because it was fun on my phract. With PPCs, I frequently felt I wasn't contributing as much as I could. Some matches were great, but others I felt less than useful.

4 LLAS is awesome. After switching over, I'm pouring out damage, near or far, and I'm used to aiming lasers anyway so they're easier to focus than the PPCs. Loving it. Just gotta finish saving for the bigger engine for better mobility (using spare xl280 right now).

Is it just me or do people tend to get a little freaked out by long range ballistics and start focusing on you faster than if you're just hitting with lasers?

[Sennin]

Indolo, on 06 January 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Is it just me or do people tend to get a little freaked out by long range ballistics and start focusing on you faster than if you're just hitting with lasers?

This is a stigma that stems from earlier versions of the K-2 GaussCat and other flavor over the month iterations such as the CTF-4X that turned the game into BallisticOnline for a month straight. Big guns can equal big damage and when you get rocked with it due to the impulse of the weapon you remember it. Ballistics and ballistic-like weapons such as PPC's are not sutble damage but lasers are. You can get hit with 4 Large Lasers and sometimes your only indicator is your armor suddenly fell off.

[Strelitzia]

I respectfully disagree, if I see 4 LL firing that enemy's position is very clear and will probably get focused down fast against a semi-organized team, not to mention the burn time which gives clear shots towards it's center torso.

PPC and Gauss allows for more shoot and scoot tactics so the enemy won't pin you down as long as you play smartly.

It breaks down to:
LL for Mid range support
PPC/Gauss for Long range support

However I would suggest PPCs on the C1 instead, because of the missle backup weapon option, the K2 works much better as a pure ballistic platform or laser boat.
Gauss wasn't nerfed at all in damage so it did not become obsolete as long as you are playing towards it's strengths (sniper/finisher) and not brawling with it like people were before.

Edited by Strelitzia, 06 January 2013 - 10:44 AM.

[De La Fresniere]

PPCs are like LLs that:

+have more range
+do 1 more damage
-have a minimum range
-generate an absurd amount of heat
-weigh 2 more tons
-cost 1 more crit slot

I use 4xLL all the time on my Flame, it's fantastic. If I switched to PPCs, well... I'd still be able to get kills and stuff, but *comparatively*, I'd be awful.

[Cstriker]

I put in a 265XL, 4xLL and 1x UAC/5 for added punch in close, the rapid fire makes people duck back a little and the 4x LL are awesome.

Tried the 2xLL, 2xML, and 2xUAC5s and it was fun, but not as effective as I was seeing with 4xLL

[Redoxin]

Why not 2 PPC+1 Gauss or 2 LLAS+1 Gauss?

Combine the advantages of both.

[Cstriker]

Redoxin, on 06 January 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

Why not 2 PPC+1 Gauss or 2 LLAS+1 Gauss?

Combine the advantages of both.

Because 4xLL produces 36 damage plus the high dps of a UAC/5 while two PPC+1 Gauss would produce 35 and 2LLas+1 Gauss would produce 33 damage.

More still, fragility added because of the explosiveness of a gauss cannon. When I use gauss, I will roll two plus mediums. When I roll LL I will roll a minimum of 4.

I could drop engine speed down and use a gauss with 4LL but then you are way slower.

[Redoxin]

Cstriker, on 06 January 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

Because 4xLL produces 36 damage plus the high dps of a UAC/5 while two PPC+1 Gauss would produce 35 and 2LLas+1 Gauss would produce 33 damage.

More still, fragility added because of the explosiveness of a gauss cannon. When I use gauss, I will roll two plus mediums. When I roll LL I will roll a minimum of 4.

I could drop engine speed down and use a gauss with 4LL but then you are way slower.

The 15 damage of the Gauss are done instantly and on one spot though. Good luck with doing the same with the 18 damage from 2 LL, especially on a moving target. On average, you will destroy more with the 33 damage from gauss+2LL than with 36 from 4 LL.
Although the main advantage of gauss+2LL is that you are MUCH more heat efficient. There is no way you can constantly fire the 4 LL, even with 3 its impossible. 2LL+gauss is very nicely sustainable, your average DPS will be higher.
Finally, the gauss has more range.

Edited by Redoxin, 06 January 2013 - 10:45 PM.

[De La Fresniere]

Redoxin, on 06 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

The 15 damage of the Gauss are done instantly and on one spot though. Good luck with doing the same with the 18 damage from 2 LL, especially on a moving target. On average, you will destroy more with the 33 damage from gauss+2LL than with 36 from 4 LL.
Although the main advantage of gauss+2LL is that you are MUCH more heat efficient. There is no way you can constantly fire the 4 LL, even with 3 its impossible.

I would have agreed with the first part, but using a Gauss I can never seem to hit the section I want with any degree of reliability due to the usual Ballistic crap (firing delay, convergence, projectile speed). Overall I have a lot more ease placing the damage where I want it using 4xLL (instant firing, just have to keep your reticule on target).

I gotta agree with the second part fully, though. Replacing two LLs (14 heat) with a Gauss (1 heat) makes a *huge* difference in total damage-per-heat.

[Xiang]

Hi All,

I am primarily a hunch pilot, but have been considering working the Cat's once i finish my last few elites on my hunches (yes, i am still new to the game). I was considering a sniper Cat-K2 with 2 ERPPC and 2 AC/10, backed up by 2 ML in the arms for self defense. Not sure if this would work or not (cannot access smurfy's from work) and how effective it would be, but I can imagine the hide and shoot with 40 pts of damage at a decent range.

Thoughts? Thanks!

Xiang