100 replies to this topic

[Davers]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

EMC for MC only mechs, since the ECM proponents suggest that it is in fact NOT overpowered, therefore not pay to win.

I jest, ECM is currently unfit for any mech, allowing everyone to mount it does not solve the ECM problem, it solves the symptom of 50% of players using 7.8% of available mech variants.

It is kind of a good way to look at it. I wonder if all the people who say there s nothing wrong with ECM would change their minds if it was only available on MC mechs.

[ApacheWarrior]

Boss Awesome, on 03 January 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Alright, here is my stab at being helpful instead of snarky. ECM is too good right now in my opinion. Why not make electronics warfare a more active role? Instead of ECM giving a protection bubble, make it a targetted attack. ECM boat targets an LRM mech and activates it's ECM. The LRM mech and only that mech loses all it's targetting info and access to the mini map. Problem solved, and the game just got more fun too for the ECM pilots.

This^^
Basically what I was thinking while reading this thread.

[TVMA Doc]

Shismar, on 03 January 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

No, I would not want ECM on all mechs.

As it is, most PUG matches only have a few of them and it works very well to add strategic aspects to combat. Not to mention limit the use of LRMs and Streaks that really went over board previously. They are still there and can be very powerful if not countered.

Havin ECM on a few more variants might help though. As well as some fine tuning in the way ECM works. And I don't care how it works in 8vs8, that system is a screw up by itself that no change to ECM can fix.

Pugs are working fine with ECM and the current matchmaker. Priority should be a lobby and better chat/voip integration.

This is also what people are complaining about. If you drop as a PUG, more often than not one group has 6 ECMs and a ton of missile boats while the other team has zero. The game turns into a rush into range and brawl it out. I have had games where my team won doing this, but it typically turns into a slaughter for the team dying in the steel rain.

[Solis Obscuri]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

EMC for MC only mechs, since the ECM proponents suggest that it is in fact NOT overpowered, therefore not pay to win.

I jest, ECM is currently unfit for any mech, allowing everyone to mount it does not solve the ECM problem, it solves the symptom of 50% of players using 7.8% of available mech variants.

Pretty much hit it on the head. Claiming that ECM "shouldn't be allowed" on more than four token chassis utterly negates any argument that it's a balanced system.

[pseudocoder]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

I jest, ECM is currently unfit for any mech, allowing everyone to mount it does not solve the ECM problem, it solves the symptom of 50% of players using 7.8% of available mech variants.

I think that's a problem in and of itself. I don't think ECM should be removed from the game, but it should be fixed if deemed necessary. In the mean time, I hope increasing its availability can help to fix the resulting diversity problem.

[StalaggtIKE]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

EMC for MC only mechs, since the ECM proponents suggest that it is in fact NOT overpowered, therefore not pay to win.

I jest, ECM is currently unfit for any mech, allowing everyone to mount it does not solve the ECM problem, it solves the symptom of 50% of players using 7.8% of available mech variants.

I dare them to do this. There would be so much outcry.

[Ashnod]

No

[JSparrowist]

In its current state it should be available to ALL mechs or none of them. That's my opinion on the matter.

[Rustycan]

I dont feel that it should be allowed on all mechs. And maybe a slight change to it on the variants it is on now, make it take 3 slots (that way it must be placed in an arm or side torso, which would give it a higher chance to get damaged), and make it take up some hardpoints as well. (Maybe an energy one?) Possibly require a module slot as well . This would make the pilot make a decision to give needed hardpoints, crits, and module slots for the benefit of ECM.

[Nightfangs]

If the current ECM doesn't get severely cut back, I'd rather see it on every mech than just on 4.
It's better to be obligated to use 1.5 tons than to use one of only 4 variants.
And, just to clean up the mechlab, LRMs and SSRMs could be removed entirely.
Hell, while we are on it, the ECM could be integrated into the chassis or the engine too, to further streamline the game. Or we could just disable the lock-on targeting system and the FF-symbols an the minimap, that would serve the same purpose.

TL, DR: Yes, ECM for all mechs. If the balance of the game is that broken, it should at least be broken to the same degree for everyone.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Just take it out altogether and we can get back to playing Mechwarrior without all this fuss.

IF they announced no ECM before they dumped it in, we wouldn't have a fraction of the hoopla we've had so far with its inclusion.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 04 January 2013 - 01:17 PM.

[Foster Bondroff]

Could live with that. It would atleast make more variants viable for competetive play.

In the end everyone loses 1.5tons weight and the slots. But atleast it even out the field.

No longer DDC and 3L online.

[Ketzktl]

CapperDeluxe, on 03 January 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

It would be very bad, since then everyone would feel obliged to have it on their mech.

No no, you have it backwards, it would be a great thing since then I could take the mech I actually want to play. I would much rather be obliged to spend 1.5 tons on every mech I played and subsequently take any mech I wanted than to have to make the choice between taking a mech I didn't want or having an increasingly frustrating play experience.

[BlackBeltJones]

Currently ECM required no power and generates no heat - Why couldn't every mech equip it?

[Nathan Foxbane]

ECM Ilya, ECM AC/20 or gauss Cat, ECM Jenner, ECM everything. I rest my case.

ECM on everything and you might as well just take ECM out of the game along with a bunch of other stuff and leave it at that.

[Goodcore]

If ECM stays the way it currently is, then yes, ECM should be available for every mech to use. Much better solution though would be to balance it out and keep the availability as it is.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

pseudocoder, on 03 January 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I understand that as far as lore goes, ECM technology was only recovered from SLDF archives ~25 years ago. It's entirely plausible that Inner Sphere tech hasn't been able to evolve the Guardian into such a modular package yet (as to be interchangeable on any mech platform).

as far as lore goes the ecm in game is guardian + angel
Gotta fix that first

Nathan Foxbane, on 04 January 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

ECM on everything and you might as well just take ECM out of the game along with a bunch of other stuff and leave it at that.

sounds fine to me (thats sarcasm)

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 04 January 2013 - 09:55 PM.

[DocBach]

ECM should be looked at, redone, and then allowed to be used on all 'Mechs like AMS. But when they're done looking and redoing it, it shouldn't be something everyone would want to allocate a ton and a half to like it currently is.

[Woska]

Yes, conditionally.

It should be widely available, but it should also be adjusted. As it is now everyone would have one on their mech and LRM fire support could be a thing of the past.

They have stated that they don't want any weapon or system to be a "must have". And right now ECM is borderline must have. If it was universally available in its current form, then you'd have to have it.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Woska, on 04 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

They have stated that they don't want any weapon or system to be a "must have". And right now ECM is borderline must have. If it was universally available in its current form, then you'd have to have it.

they have also stated that they like OP equipment because OP stuff makes the game more varied (which it actually does the opposite)