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[ackstorm]

Does the beagle active probe actually do anything yet in thsi game? Because I have noticed no real dfiference if I equip it or not. There is no way to really know if its working because it gives no indication that its working so far that I can tell.

[Lee Ving]

It has a few minor things it does (detect powered down mechs within some short distance, boost your sensor range) but it isn't worth the weight IMO.

Edited by Nadia Winson, 28 December 2012 - 11:55 AM.

[Karl Split]

It does improve missile lock time and slightly increases your sensor range. Given how much cover is in the maps and the fact that you need line of sight to the enemy its a mute point tho. Expect it to be better in bigger open maps like desert.

Ohh and ECM completely voids it cause ECM is well you know....

Edited by Karl Split, 28 December 2012 - 11:55 AM.

[DocBach]

http://mwomercs.com/...mation-warfare/

Right now Beagle does very little.


Beagle should:

-Detect shutdown 'Mechs outside of ECM bubbles
(Total Warfare, pg 129): "An active probe can detect any hidden 'Mech if the concealed unit lies within the probe's range."

-Negate ECM's target acquisition slowdown while outside the bubble

-Notify the user the boundaries of an ECM bubble, we automatically have now with the low signal our sensors would know there is an ECM around, but not know where the actual bubble starts or ends, Beagle should let us see exactly where the ECM bubble is to help avoid or find weakness in it. (Total Warfare, pg 134)
"Active probes cannot penetrate the ECM's area of effect. The probing unit would notice it is being jammed, however"

Edited by DocBach, 28 December 2012 - 12:23 PM.

[Red squirrel]

I only equip it if there is nothing else to use those 1.5tons on

[Johnny Morgan]

never leave home without it, all my scout mechs carry it and my ECM mechs too.

Information is key to winning in this game and BAP makes detection and lock on faster and further out.

LOVE IT!

[IIIuminaughty]

It worth it when its not being nullified by ECM especially for snipers

[Zphyr]

I don't use it because my builds do not (yet) requite a BAP. But may equip one when I go back to my LRM boats, specially when pugging.

[King Arthur IV]

DocBach, on 28 December 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...mation-warfare/

Right now Beagle does very little.


Beagle should:

-Detect shutdown 'Mechs outside of ECM bubbles
(Total Warfare, pg 129): "An active probe can detect any hidden 'Mech if the concealed unit lies within the probe's range."

-Negate ECM's target acquisition slowdown while outside the bubble

-Notify the user the boundaries of an ECM bubble, we automatically have now with the low signal our sensors would know there is an ECM around, but not know where the actual bubble starts or ends, Beagle should let us see exactly where the ECM bubble is to help avoid or find weakness in it. (Total Warfare, pg 134)
"Active probes cannot penetrate the ECM's area of effect. The probing unit would notice it is being jammed, however"

this would all make me so happy

[Hurthammer]

Not so much post ECM. Was nice to have previously for the extra sensor range for my LRMs on my C1...at this point in the game I would rather have the heatsink I replaced it with.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

It used to be worth using it for LRM Carriers... now it's just junk. If the enemy has an ECM or stands near one, your BAP isn't doing a thing. People keep mentioning snipers as if they even need radar to shoot. Snipers use thermal vision to spot enemies anyway, and can shoot without locks. It's the LRMs that put this thing to use, but now you may as well not even bother. Until it actually does something vs BAP(Like restore some radar range), there's no reason to use it.

[Windsaw]

I used to have one on my spotter scout, but since ECM came this role became useless.

[Cantatta]

I get a spotter bouns for my Cataphract w/BAP pretty much every time I use it. That means it is doing something, at least. I agree that BAP needs to be of better use vis-a-vis previous suggestions, but I do not agree that it is completely useless right now.

[Voridan Atreides]

I was thinking of putting on one of my mechs...but it does not seem worth the tonnage right now...

[Codejack]

What if BAP and ECM both exploded if they came within 180m of each other?

[CDLord HHGD]

I had BAP on my LRM rig, did not notice any difference, then I sold the mech and I no longer equip it.

[Windsaw]

I used it when I played my light mechs as scouts.
With ECM the scout role became mostly obsolete and BAP with it. Not equipping it anymore.

[MustrumRidcully]

Codejack, on 07 January 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

What if BAP and ECM both exploded if they came within 180m of each other?

That would be worth it. BAP does very little, ECM a lot. Same damage as a Gauss Rifle,or what do we select?

[Trauglodyte]

Karl Split, on 28 December 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

It does improve missile lock time and slightly increases your sensor range. Given how much cover is in the maps and the fact that you need line of sight to the enemy its a mute point tho. Expect it to be better in bigger open maps like desert.

Ohh and ECM completely voids it cause ECM is well you know....

The point can't hear? WHAT?!?

[Boris The Spider]

BAP is a lot less accurate since ECM, but it still works. It does however need to be used in conjunction with the sensor range module, the target info module and a microphone for it to be realy usefull. Not everyone is going to be under the ECM umberalla all the time, all it takes is a target ping, zoom in, thermals..enemy spotted, often where there is one, there are more, advise team. Worth fitting for a scout IMHO.