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[Taron]

As said in the headline: Teams of 8 - forbid them

Unfortunatly i had to start a new thread, cause the old one was closed for no reason - looks like the devs do not like critism

Well, why i think, teams of 8 should be forbidden? Simple, they do use it on PUGs, not on other teams of 8.

Playing 8 vs. 8 inTeams could be very nice, but playing 8 vs. PUG - tha's stupid.
In my "former life" here, i played often in a team, i stopped this, cause it's not really fun. The now existing teams of 8 seems to have not learned anything out of the time, when they did not exist.

It would be OK, if the ingame TS would work, but as long it does not, Teams of 8 vs. PUG should be fobidden or restricted - it would be also an improvement to the game. For me, it does not matter much, but for newbies, getting their AS* kicked without ANY chance.... most of them might.... no... WILL....leave soon.

So, what the game really needs is a restriction for teams of 8, that, or forbid them

Edited by Taron, 03 January 2013 - 01:48 AM.

[Ragor]

InB4 flaming starts.

But you are wrong on some facts.
You cannot launch 8vsPUG, only 8vs8.
But many teams do 4+4 sync drops VS PUG.

So the only solution would be:
Allow only 8 man drops OR PUG as options to start, remove the 'up to 4 player'-premade option.

But I still feel free to disagree.

[Taron]

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You cannot launch 8vsPUG, only 8vs8.

I know, but somehow they do. And you KNOW that....

From this point of view, i wonder about your posting. EVERYONE knows ...

There ARE games of 8 vs. PUG, since a long time. Everyone knows that, there are even threads about that.

Edited by Taron, 03 January 2013 - 01:53 AM.

[Lucky Moniker]

do your research, the chances of getting 8vsPUG are extremely slim.
it IS heavily restricted
what you are bitching about is already in effect for the exact reasons youre bitching about

Edited by Lucky Moniker, 03 January 2013 - 01:51 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Nerf teamwork, L2P, get a second job, download teamspeak, devs gotta eat too.

[AlexEss]

i think you are grossly overestimating both how many people synch-drop and how much effect they have on the general public.

I understand it is not fun to loose and that the mind is quick to create scenarios to cover ones own shortcomings.

But the matter of the fact is that you and your entire team can have your behinds handed to them on a BBQ by 8 random people who never played together before.

But take a break for a month and chill. Wait until phase three of the matchmaking when they will match people of equal skill. It should solve your problem.

[Taron]

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do your research, the chances of getting 8vsPUG are extremely slim.

Sorry, but that's simply not true. It's very easy to do that. I know how, but it's forbidden to post how, cause it's against the terms. But i'm sure, you know that too ...
And where's the problem? Teams of 8 should be able to fight other teams of 8, that for sure. But this should be a special mode, not standard. And anyone who thinks, Teams vs. PUG were hard.... well, learn the game. It's simple to do, and they do.

Edited by Taron, 03 January 2013 - 02:03 AM.

[One Medic Army]

Yes, sync dropping is possible,they'll only rarely end up in the same game, and not always on the same team.
That aside, most people who group don't do it because its cheesetacular.

Matchmaker phase 3 was planned for I'd January last I looked. Can we please keep the "OMG premades stomp the PUGs so hard" threads to a minimum until then? It's being taken care of.

Oh, and btw, you're still going to lose half your matches on average with ELO based matchmaking if it works right, so there will still be people with confirmation bias and more memorable negative games b**** ing.

Edited by One Medic Army, 03 January 2013 - 02:05 AM.

[JP Josh]

seriely the other day i tried to synch drop with my family and i was put in a drop with them only twice in 10 games on the same match..... and those two games guss what i was put on the oppisite teams!!!!!! guss who was on the kill list ya my family zerg rushed for me like zombies and i died horribley. why because my team was to busy laphing thier ***** off as the enitre enimy team focused on one tiny ecm commando whos only weapon was a er ppc.

and before you tell me that build is **** its mainly for de arming centurians cats and striping shoulder/*** armer off of atlases. also found it to be a very good counter to gause mechs (if you can aim on the move)

[Taron]

Well, you are right, but not on one thing: It's simplier to go 8 vs. PUG than you think, they do it,

[Joseph Mallan]

Taron, on 03 January 2013 - 01:50 AM, said:

I know, but somehow they do. And you KNOW that....

From this point of view, i wonder about your posting. EVERYONE knows ...

There ARE games of 8 vs. PUG, since a long time. Everyone knows that, there are even threads about that.

And as a 4 man I look forward to the fight I will get when I drop.When rolled by an 8 man it only means we haven't gotten good enough yet. Got rolled last night by a PUG team that stayed together and fought beautifully. I was impressed.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 03 January 2013 - 02:20 AM.

[Brilig]

Taron, on 03 January 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Unfortunatly i had to start a new thread, cause the old one was closed for no reason - looks like the devs do not like critism.

This line never gets old.

That being said. 4man sync drops do happen, though from what I understand they are rare. More changes to matchmaking are happening this month. Check this out. http://mwomercs.com/...79-matchmaking/

[Ghogiel]

One Medic Army, on 03 January 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

Yes, sync dropping is possible,they'll only rarely end up in the same game, and not always on the same team.

You've not done it that much have you.. I've never not ended up in the same match. On the off chance the sync doesn't work and you end up on opposite sides.

[AlexEss]

Taron, on 03 January 2013 - 01:55 AM, said:

Sorry, but that's simply not true. It's very easy to do that. I know how, but it's forbidden to post how, cause it's against the terms. But i'm sure, you know that too ...
And where's the problem? Teams of 8 should be able to fight other teams of 8, that for sure. But this should be a special mode, not standard. And anyone who thinks, Teams vs. PUG were hard.... well, learn the game. It's simple to do, and they do.

I think he/she meant that even if people do this it is rare that you should face more then one once in a while as it does not happen as often as you seem to belive it does.

My guess is that this is how you path of logic looks

A: We win, we did it with skill and our PUG awesomeness
B: We loose in a close match. This must have been a fair matching between our two pugs
C: You get crushed. RAWRRRRRRRRR Those filthy 8 man pre.mades are ruining our game.

All three are ofc faulty.

[Taron]

Well, there are threads about 8 vs. PUG, it's not fictitious.

Do we really play the same game? Or do you don't WANT to see it?

Edited by Taron, 03 January 2013 - 02:11 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

They're already forbidden to enter the pub ghetto, and there's even a special 8 man stomping ground for them.
Unfortunately, most of them don't want to play for the challenge, and would rather beat up n00bs for efortless money.

[One Medic Army]

Ghogiel, on 03 January 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

You've not done it that much have you.. I've never not ended up in the same match. On the off chance the sync doesn't work and you end up on opposite sides.

During US time, I tried to sync drop (as a solo) into a match with my 4 friends. I landed in their game rarely. And almost always on the opposite team.
I did enjoy killing them

My personal anecdote cancels yours.

Edited by One Medic Army, 03 January 2013 - 02:11 AM.

[Taron]

Good to know that the US Guys do not know ALL the tricks.

Whatever, you can say what you want: There ARE teams playing vs. Pugs, and they do it for kiling, making money etc. If you do not know how they do it does not mean it does not exist... it does. To say anything else is just ignorant... as i wrote: There are THREADs abot that.

Edited by Taron, 03 January 2013 - 02:18 AM.

[Ghogiel]

One Medic Army, on 03 January 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

During US time, I tried to sync drop (as a solo) into a match with my 4 friends. I landed in their game rarely. And almost always on the opposite team.
I did enjoy killing them

My personal anecdote cancels yours.

User error.

[AlexEss]

Taron, nobody says that there are not sync-drops.

You just showe all the blame for a loss on to them. in reality there are several factors that lead to you having your rump in the fire.