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[Stone Profit]

Imperius, on 07 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Nah, I'm a fanboy, but I just have a different perspective and I'm a lot less lax. When they claim they will bring us a AAA title and it doesn't even have the basics of most games I beta test I get concerned. When I see wasted resources that could have been utilized better to improve the initial impression of the game for new comers I get mad. I don't care how many dont side with me my point was out out and hopefully a dev read it. Your opinion means jack to me cause number one I don't just give respect you earn it. Second I don't know you your just another voice of the Internet as I am to you. I'm not here for a popularity contest. Or hope you'll like my status on Facebook. I'm here because I gave 120$ to see this game come to life, ill give more money to it when there is a reason too ( when I start having fun). I'm sorry but 4 ECM ravens, with lag shields, and run around collision free taking no skill to run a lag circle around me or my teamtes and down an assault. You guys cry not cannon all the time I don't remember reading in the book laggy raven takes out an atlas by running though walls.

Oh yeah the guys who make holiday items are totally able to optimize netcode. Do 6ou even read what you right? Fail troll is fail. Have fun with that.

[Imperius]

Stone Profit, on 07 January 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Oh yeah the guys who make holiday items are totally able to optimize netcode. Do 6ou even read what you right? Fail troll is fail. Have fun with that.

Read my other post about what the artist can do. Quit calling me a troll when you yourself just keep posting and adding words to my mounts. Show me where I said the artist should fix net code wizard!

[Carnivoris]

OP seems to be ignorant of crowdsourcing. You didn't spend money on a complete game. You spent money to fund development of the game. It's not released yet. It hasn't left beta. Just because you spent money on it doesn't make it "released". Educate yourself on the economics of PC gaming before you post some stupid garbage like this. If you didn't realize what you were spending money on, it's your fault.

[Imperius]

Carnivoris, on 07 January 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

OP seems to be ignorant of crowdsourcing. You didn't spend money on a complete game. You spent money to fund development of the game. It's not released yet. It hasn't left beta. Just because you spent money on it doesn't make it "released". Educate yourself on the economics of PC gaming before you post some stupid garbage like this. If you didn't realize what you were spending money on, it's your fault.

I'll educate you. Also, where did I say I spent 120$ on a complete game? I said I didn't spend 120$ to see it wasted on ****** Christmas lights and some mech bobble heads...

BETA TEST

Computers. a quality-control technique in hardware or software is subjected to trial in the environment for which it was designed, usually after debugging by the manufacturer and immediately "prior to marketing."

Edited by Imperius, 07 January 2013 - 09:23 PM.

[Rocket Puppy]

Yep. Your so correct.

The Developers have no idea how to support their open beta game.

I am absolutely sure that the same people balancing the game, who spent years programming and studying statistics are the same (people? this is bleeped) who spent years learning how to model and animate those 3d models.

I will not for a moment say that I am 100% happy with where the game is at, but the game is being developed by a fairly small team that love the franchise.

Stop nit-picking, and report bugs and severe issues, not the nag of the day.


-Charging for content in Open beta is OK, the developers need funding.

Edited by Rocket Puppy, 07 January 2013 - 10:00 PM.

[Protection]

Well, if they release as it is, the game will be in serious trouble. If they can get content out and fix the problems before they officially "release," then the game can be saved and survive and prosper. It's just words, but words can be powerful. Hold off official release until the game has enough content and features to impress people.

[Imperius]

Rocket Puppy, on 07 January 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Yep. Your so correct.

The Developers have no idea how to support their open beta game.

I am absolutely sure that the same people balancing the game, who spent years programming and studying statistics are the same (people? this is bleeped) who spent years learning how to model and animate those 3d models.

I will not for a moment say that I am 100% happy with where the game is at, but the game is being developed by a fairly small team that love the franchise.

Stop nit-picking, and report bugs and severe issues, not the nag of the day.


-Charging for content in Open beta is OK, the developers need funding.

It's when the word BETA gets used as an excuse. It's not ok to treat a beta like a full game buy selling stuff. When most casuals come to try a F2P game and its full of bugs yet you can buy stuff, most may overlook that it's a beta and think its a full game, what's worse those people will have a bad experience because of balance, no tutorial (most wont watch those YouTube vids), and game breaking bugs. Yeah sounds like the best way to market your game.

[Imperius]

Protection, on 07 January 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

Well, if they release as it is, the game will be in serious trouble. If they can get content out and fix the problems before they officially "release," then the game can be saved and survive and prosper. It's just words, but words can be powerful. Hold off official release until the game has enough content and features to impress people.

Should still be a closed beta IMO.

[Heeden]

Imperius, on 07 January 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Yeah, well Hawken plays a lot better too, it's just not my type of mech game. So, regardless if you don't think it's enough money my point still holds true. ONCE YOU CHARGE MONEY FOR PARTS OF YOUR GAME IT'S NO LONGER CONSIDERED A BETA!!!

Writing in all-caps doesn't magically make you right.

The only reason you should consider this not a beta is if you think it is stable, bug-free and feature-complete. If you do think that you're wrong.

Also I suppose someone should point out that the people who make Christmas lights and bobble-heads probably aren't involved in writing the code. In other words when PGI release a cosmetic item to help them support development it does not take away from bug-fixing.

Edited by Heeden, 07 January 2013 - 11:37 PM.

[Adrienne Vorton]

prove that this is still beta:

people still didn´t learn NOT to make biased polls instead of serious ones...

[Imperius]

Heeden, on 07 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Writing in all-caps doesn't magically make you right.

The only reason you should consider this not a beta is if you think it is stable, bug-free and feature-complete. If you do think that you're wrong.

Also I suppose someone should point out that the people who make Christmas lights and bobble-heads probably aren't involved in writing the code. In other words when PGI release a cosmetic item to help them support development it does not take away from bug-fixing.

The point here is remove the MC or take off the word beta. It's confusing.

[Rejarial Galatan]

To all of you who still think this is in some form of BETA, lets look at something. IF and I do MEAN IF, you want to attach BETA to this, then there needs to be one of 2 things happening right now.

1. This needs to roll back to CLOSED BETA.
2. This game MUST charge a monthly subscription fee.

How can I say this? Simple. First, this game is a Free To Play Title, meaning, no subscription fee, no real need to drop a single cent into this game at any time. As such, the moment, it was taken from Closed Beta and the world at large was given access to a FREE TO PLAY TITLE, the game was beyond any shadow of any doubt, LAUNCHED. PERIOD. IF, and again I mean IF, this game had a monthly subscription fee of like 9.99 USD <for example> then, yes, we COULD call this a RUSHED INTO OPEN BETA BETA. BUT, SINCE it is F2P? It is launched, and any pretense or delusion of calling this BETA, even OPEN Beta, is just an excuse to wave around to try to justify so many glaring issues with this game. I mean heck, they are asking people for money by way of having those of us so inclined to pay for MC. It is launched, stop kidding yourselves.

[Heeden]

Imperius, on 07 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

The point here is remove the MC or take off the word beta. It's confusing.

Without the beta tag people would think it is a complete game - despite your protests to the contrary it is far from complete.

Without the MC there'd be no way of giving PGI money. I like playing this game, I want them to finish it and I don't mind sticking a bit of cash in to their pot every now and then.

I'm sorry you're getting confused about the situation, maybe you should let your account rest until PGI announce the game is ready to be released.

[Rejarial Galatan]

It is NOT okay in any universe to make people PAY for ANYTHING in a Beta, as it hampers a clean testing of the product, and jades and biases opinions.

Heeden, on 07 January 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

Without the beta tag people would think it is a complete game - despite your protests to the contrary it is far from complete.

Without the MC there'd be no way of giving PGI money. I like playing this game, I want them to finish it and I don't mind sticking a bit of cash in to their pot every now and then.

I'm sorry you're getting confused about the situation, maybe you should let your account rest until PGI announce the game is ready to be released.

complete or not, error free or not, it is launched, and thusly no longer a Beta of ANY kind, especially since they are having us pay for features like HERO mechs.

[Heeden]

Rejarial Galatan, on 07 January 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

To all of you who still think this is in some form of BETA, lets look at something. IF and I do MEAN IF, you want to attach BETA to this, then there needs to be one of 2 things happening right now.

1. This needs to roll back to CLOSED BETA.
2. This game MUST charge a monthly subscription fee.

How can I say this? Simple. First, this game is a Free To Play Title, meaning, no subscription fee, no real need to drop a single cent into this game at any time. As such, the moment, it was taken from Closed Beta and the world at large was given access to a FREE TO PLAY TITLE, the game was beyond any shadow of any doubt, LAUNCHED. PERIOD. IF, and again I mean IF, this game had a monthly subscription fee of like 9.99 USD <for example> then, yes, we COULD call this a RUSHED INTO OPEN BETA BETA. BUT, SINCE it is F2P? It is launched, and any pretense or delusion of calling this BETA, even OPEN Beta, is just an excuse to wave around to try to justify so many glaring issues with this game. I mean heck, they are asking people for money by way of having those of us so inclined to pay for MC. It is launched, stop kidding yourselves.

Seriously dude, this game is nowhere near complete. There are lots of features missing, lots of bugs to be fixed and the game-balance will need some tweaking before it is ready for release. RANDOMLY writing some WORDS using ALL caps does NOT make what YOU SAY magically TRUE.

[Heeden]

Rejarial Galatan, on 07 January 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

complete or not, error free or not, it is launched, and thusly no longer a Beta of ANY kind, especially since they are having us pay for features like HERO mechs.

>.<

the BETA tag LETS you KNOW the GAME is INCOMPLETE and CONTAINS errors. IF they DIDN'T call IT a BETA the QQ brigade WOULD be ASKING how THEY could CALL it FIT for RELEASE when IT blatantly NEEDS more FEATURES and BUG-fixing. THEN you WOULD be WHINING for THEM to CALL it A beta.

[Rustycan]

Imperius, on 07 January 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

I'll educate you. Also, where did I say I spent 120$ on a complete game? I said I didn't spend 120$ to see it wasted on ****** Christmas lights and some mech bobble heads...

BETA TEST

Computers. a quality-control technique in hardware or software is subjected to trial in the environment for which it was designed, usually after debugging by the manufacturer and immediately "prior to marketing."

Beta

Beta (in other words prototype) (named after the second letter of the Greek alphabet) is the software development phase following alpha. It generally begins when the software is feature complete. Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, as well as speed/performance issues. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it.

The users of a beta version are called beta testers. They are usually customers or prospective customers of the organization that develops the software, willing to test the software without charge, often receiving the final software free of charge or for a reduced price. Beta version software is often useful for demonstrations and previews within an organization and to prospective customers. Some developers refer to this stage as a preview, prototype, technical preview (TP), or early access. Some software is kept in perpetual beta—where new features and functionality are continually added to the software without establishing a firm "final" release.

Open and closed beta

Developers release either a closed beta or an open beta; closed beta versions are released to a restricted group of individuals for a user test by invitation, while open beta testers are from a larger group, or anyone interested. The testers report any bugs that they find, and sometimes suggest additional features they think should be available in the final version.

Open betas serve the dual purpose of demonstrating a product to potential consumers, and testing among an extremely wide user base likely to bring to light obscure errors that a much smaller testing team might not find.


According to wikipedia the above is their definition of "Beta" and "Open Beta" So I guess this definition of it is just as valid as yours...

This game is barely a year old, many games are in development for much longer before anything at all is even shown to people. I myself invested in the founders program to help do my small part to help bring this game to fruition. For a yearling game I dont think it is doing too bad at all.

Edited by Rustycan, 08 January 2013 - 12:04 AM.

[Inertiaman]

Yeah only they've been developing it since 2009.

http://en.wikipedia....hWarrior_Online

And besides, even if it's a beta, it's still perfectly valid for people to form the opinion that it's a badly managed beta.

[Imperius]

Rejarial Galatan, on 07 January 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

To all of you who still think this is in some form of BETA, lets look at something. IF and I do MEAN IF, you want to attach BETA to this, then there needs to be one of 2 things happening right now.

1. This needs to roll back to CLOSED BETA.
2. This game MUST charge a monthly subscription fee.

How can I say this? Simple. First, this game is a Free To Play Title, meaning, no subscription fee, no real need to drop a single cent into this game at any time. As such, the moment, it was taken from Closed Beta and the world at large was given access to a FREE TO PLAY TITLE, the game was beyond any shadow of any doubt, LAUNCHED. PERIOD. IF, and again I mean IF, this game had a monthly subscription fee of like 9.99 USD <for example> then, yes, we COULD call this a RUSHED INTO OPEN BETA BETA. BUT, SINCE it is F2P? It is launched, and any pretense or delusion of calling this BETA, even OPEN Beta, is just an excuse to wave around to try to justify so many glaring issues with this game. I mean heck, they are asking people for money by way of having those of us so inclined to pay for MC. It is launched, stop kidding yourselves.

Thanks another person who understands my point.

Heeden, on 07 January 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

>.<

the BETA tag LETS you KNOW the GAME is INCOMPLETE and CONTAINS errors. IF they DIDN'T call IT a BETA the QQ brigade WOULD be ASKING how THEY could CALL it FIT for RELEASE when IT blatantly NEEDS more FEATURES and BUG-fixing. THEN you WOULD be WHINING for THEM to CALL it A beta.

When you add stuff that you can only get by paying sorry it's now a final release, unless we were all beta testers at a financial firm to make sure the transactions work with fake money accounts. FYI the threads you call QQ's are feedback and what we are supposed to do whether it's positive or negative feedback.

Rustycan, on 08 January 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Beta

Beta (in other words prototype) (named after the second letter of the Greek alphabet) is the software development phase following alpha. It generally begins when the software is feature complete. Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, as well as speed/performance issues. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it.

The users of a beta version are called beta testers. They are usually customers or prospective customers of the organization that develops the software, willing to test the software without charge, often receiving the final software free of charge or for a reduced price. Beta version software is often useful for demonstrations and previews within an organization and to prospective customers. Some developers refer to this stage as a preview, prototype, technical preview (TP), or early access. Some software is kept in perpetual beta—where new features and functionality are continually added to the software without establishing a firm "final" release.

Open and closed beta

Developers release either a closed beta or an open beta; closed beta versions are released to a restricted group of individuals for a user test by invitation, while open beta testers are from a larger group, or anyone interested. The testers report any bugs that they find, and sometimes suggest additional features they think should be available in the final version.

Open betas serve the dual purpose of demonstrating a product to potential consumers, and testing among an extremely wide user base likely to bring to light obscure errors that a much smaller testing team might not find.


According to wikipedia the above is their definition of "Beta" and "Open Beta" So I guess this definition of it is just as valid as yours...

This game is barely a year old, many games are in development for much longer before anything at all is even shown to people. I myself invested in the founders program to help do my small part to help bring this game to fruition. For a yearling game I dont think it is doing too bad at all.

Bolded and underlined the IMPORTANT part of it for you.

[Imperius]

Heeden, on 07 January 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

Seriously dude, this game is nowhere near complete. There are lots of features missing, lots of bugs to be fixed and the game-balance will need some tweaking before it is ready for release. RANDOMLY writing some WORDS using ALL caps does NOT make what YOU SAY magically TRUE.

CAPS are used to catch the eye to those who skim read and form THEIR own opinions on what the person was saying without actually reading what what was wrote. Since so many people don't actually seem to read what I typed or only read what they want to start a troll war with I now have to use CAPS so you pay attention.