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[Robo_D]

People that Alt-F4 before their death should be banned. Period. No discussion needed. Also... completely remove the KDR stat from player profile. All it does it make for bad players that worry too much about person stats and not enough on being a team player. KDR ruins games.

[Roughneck45]

Rotorymaniac, on 07 January 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

KDR ruins games.

And yet your complaint is about not getting a kill for your own kdr....

[Robo_D]

Nope. Couldn't care less. I just think it's lame and makes them look stupid. Regardless, it shouldn't be allowed.

[StalaggtIKE]

Is Alt-f4 what cause the game feed to say "StalaggtIKE has killed"?

[ICEFANG13]

Yes it is.

[Elder Thorn]

Rotorymaniac, on 07 January 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

People that Alt-F4 before their death should be banned. Period. No discussion needed. Also... completely remove the KDR stat from player profile. All it does it make for bad players that worry too much about person stats and not enough on being a team player. KDR ruins games.

if you don't care about your KDR, what i would think if you say KDR ruins games and so on (i actually agree with that - except in Eve online, Eve online without Killmails is boring as [REDACTED]), why do you then think that people avoiding a D on their KDR should be banned?
Also... at the current state, you can't say they are not crashing, you just don't know.

Edited by Viterbi, 08 January 2013 - 07:17 AM.
Removed profanity

[ohtochooseaname]

I have crashed once or twice where it probably looked like I was trying to leave. However, if you actually crash, you are still in the game, not "Disconnected" and get the death. No, "Disconnected" means they used the client to exit cleanly (alt-f4) to avoid the death. There is a simple solution for this...count the death of their mech as a death. Problem solved! (Other than K/D ratio issues, but I like the statistic personally because it allows me at least some information to track progress. If you took that one away and added more useful information like components destroyed, spotting assists...and gave me an excel file with my game statistics, I would be much happier.) I actually track kills/game more than K/D because I've set myself the difficult goal of getting that ratio up to 1.0 while pugging.

[Alfred VonGunn]

Roughneck45, on 07 January 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

And yet your complaint is about not getting a kill for your own kdr....

YOu don't get the XP or C-bills for the Kill it\f they Alt-4 either.. the kd/r is not the issue..

[Darius Deadeye]

Fairly often, I encounter one of the gamebreaking bugs. Black screen, 4fps bug and the yellow brick bug. I can't play the game with either of those bugs for obvious reasons.

Would I then be expected to wait 10 minutes with the exact same (for me) result as if I alt+f4'd? Just so you can get that one extra kill? I'll keep alt+f4'ing untill they fix those particular bugs. Sorry.

[Robo_D]

Darius, all you have to do is leave game. You still get the results. Alt-F4 is completely different. I've gotten all of those bugs too. all you have to do is hit ESC then click LEAVE GAME(which gives "player has disconnected" and everything is updated correctly including your rewards. Obviously you are either trolling or you are one of the people I'm talking about, maybe both.

Also, why would you play with those bugs until JUST before you die? Yeah that makes total sense. People that Alt-F4 play just fine the entire game until just before I core them they mysteriously stop moving...

[Robo_D]

Forgot to add one more thing on the original post:

This issue is also about Sportsmanship like conduct, which is clearly in the terms of use. That alone is reason to ban.

[ICEFANG13]

Yes but there is a possibility that the player did not Alt-f4, and you cannot just BAN someone for that.

If you knew for sure, then I saw I agree, but you don't.

[Wraith05]

Alfred VonGunn, on 07 January 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

YOu don't get the XP or C-bills for the Kill it\f they Alt-4 either.. the kd/r is not the issue..

And if they are the last mech in the game when they do it.

It causes the game to continue until time runs out or cap occurs. I just lost a game where the final commando DCed when 3 of us cornered him and thus lust a conquest game because we couldn't get to the other side of the map in time.

So I would actually see it as a form of griefing.

[BerryChunks]

Darius Deadeye, on 07 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

Fairly often, I encounter one of the gamebreaking bugs. Black screen, 4fps bug and the yellow brick bug. I can't play the game with either of those bugs for obvious reasons.

Would I then be expected to wait 10 minutes with the exact same (for me) result as if I alt+f4'd? Just so you can get that one extra kill? I'll keep alt+f4'ing untill they fix those particular bugs. Sorry.

Darius Deadeye, on 07 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

Fairly often, I encounter one of the gamebreaking bugs. Black screen, 4fps bug and the yellow brick bug. I can't play the game with either of those bugs for obvious reasons.

Would I then be expected to wait 10 minutes with the exact same (for me) result as if I alt+f4'd? Just so you can get that one extra kill? I'll keep alt+f4'ing untill they fix those particular bugs. Sorry.

Im on both sides. I think waiting +5 minutes for alt+f4 is fine. I also don't think we should be caring so much after alt+f4. just allow people to get Cbill and XP from killing mechs. It's not as if its abusable to get CB and XP from wiping dead mechs.

[Gauss Master]

I haven't started doing it yet myself, but some clan mates and I have been kicking around running a list of players we notice doing this with frequency. Once we have a list compiled with the same name showing on a number of lists, putting in a ticket the very next match we find the name in. PGI is going to want specifics in order to hunt down unsportsmanlike conduct. They were able to get the suiciding rate down a substantial bit, let's hope more people putting in tickets for this will get a tracker going for it as well.
Black/yellow screen, 4fps, crazy mini-map/compass, or no HUD aside, maybe they could do something with coding so that a disconnect before timer counts down to match start pulls a mech from map, and any d/c after that registers the mech as full points/xp/cbills for anyone who finds it. (I understand the aforementioned bugs should be addressed before any other coding issues, just something to kick around if a Dev notices)