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[Broceratops]

superteds, on 08 January 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

clearly the answer is to run badly optimised builds, ideally with no weapon featuring more than once so as to avoid the wrath of OPs like the one we have here.

heheh +1

jeez op listed so many mechs. generally 'cheese' means one or two things which are advantaged in the meta. when you list a dozen things it just means none of them are cheesy because there are so many options.

[Asakara]

Personally, I think if you did this poll prior to ECM the results for Jenner and Raven would be reversed.

I remember when there were tons of threads about the "game breaking" and "OP" Jenner with demands for nerfs. Funny how things change.

Edit - I wish there was a "none" option in the poll. I do not consider anything "cheese". No army in the history of warfare, to my knowledge, left behind a weapon which would effectively fight the enemy because it was "too cheesy".

Edited by Asakara, 08 January 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[Rumjaku]

Apoc1138, on 08 January 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

most if not all of the builds you list have massive drawbacks alongside being good in their chosen field... if someone is good at playing them and my team mates totally neglect to help me take one down then props to the user and boo hiss to my team

the 3L seems not to have any significant downsides in and of itself (except being a light mech) but most of it's advantages come from netcode and hitbox issues, which are bugs rather than intended

Honestly, I've finally upgraded my RVN-3L to a point where if I play good, I can do quite a bit of damage. I also noticed that the more I play, the better hits on target I am getting (with lasers). I can aim at other players while turning and the whole shebang. The Streaks are nice, but they've always been doing the same amount of damage while the lasers have been missing a lot until I got better with them recently.

Now the downside, if I am having a ****** day (overheating, running into stupid rocks and other ****) then I will die FAST, and not get much accomplished.
It's still a Light mech, I've always had the armor maxed or near max, but the other attributes have slowly been upgrading.

So with that in mind, if you don't be careful (walk out in the midst of multiple heavy mechs), then you will surely die fast.

Each mech starts out O.K., once you upgrade and unlock the bonuses for them, you will realize that each mech has it's strengths/weaknesses. You have to determine the playstyle you want out of this game and build your mechs around that.

[The Silent Protagonist]

Nice selection of cheeses there, not enough Edam or Stilton though...

SRM cats all up in my **** are my pet hate, so I voted that. And if Clan LRMs have no minimum range, then the only mech we'll ever see again is a Catapult with as many of them and as much ammo as possible. We're all going to suffocate in the smell of that cheese!
It annoys me that the 3L is now just the best scout in every way, beating all other scouts at everything, but that's hardly the fault of the build, more a balance issue.
I only recently discovered the horror of the 6xERPPC Stalker aswell, but to be fair, I was in my commie at the time.

Edited by Lt XKalibur, 08 January 2013 - 11:21 AM.

[Duckwalk]

It amazes me that people have such a hard time aiming at a mech when they don't have the pretty red box around it. If you haven't learned to sweep lasers across the legs of lights by this time you might want to consider picking up a new game.

I do feel guilty playing my SRM6 Cat but at least you have to aim as opposed to Streakcats.

However, my vote when to 6 ER PPC Stalkers. I just always assumed people that played them were aimbotting/wallhacking.

-Duckwalk

[Ursh]

Raven 3L, hands down.

Nothing else gets to just wade through fire unscathed, due to abysmal hit detection.

[Tastian]

Several people have accused me of thinking all of these are cheese. That's not the case at all. In fact, I don't think the majority of them are cheese builds. They are popular builds, yes. They are builds we see again and again and again. Sure. But that doesn't make them cheese. What IS cheese is when you see nothing but these builds. Have you ever dropped and faced a team of 2 ECM ravens, 2 DDCs, and then a mix of guass cats, LRM boats and SRM cats? That's cheese. Its cheese when noone on the team deviates from the cookie cutter builds. I'm like others here, I feel dirty running my Raven 3L and rarely ever run it because its the top cheese in my opinion.

[Corbon Zackery]

I would have to go with the 3 m.laser 2 streak ECM Raven there running in 3 packs right now 1 will jam ECM while the other 2 blanket the target that way if one of the opposing mechs switches over to jam ECM they still have a backup.

Then they walk around shooting you because people panic and cant visual sight them there to R key dependent.

[Sandslice]

Sayyid, on 08 January 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

I run a cheesy ECM Commando with a single ER Large Laser.

Most broken thing I have ever thought about. I can sit back at 600m+ and snipe away with this 9pt weapon and people dont know I am there. Or I will spot and wait for the LRMs to rain in and as they hit I shoot the target with my ERLL, so they dont know I am firing at them. Thats always fun.

That sounds suspiciously like how I play Skyrim, and might inspire me to try a similar CDA build.

[lxnoid]

Stupid question... PPC-Stalker is cheese if you get hit lucky by it. Aiming and hitting, plus being defenseless agains close-up mechs - who wants to declare this as cheese?
More cheese to your whine?

[The Silent Protagonist]

lxnoid, on 08 January 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

More cheese to your whine?

I mostly come for the cheese and whine.

[MonkeyCheese]

I see no option for my 99.3kph AC20 raven with 28 shots, I am dissapoint

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

I say 3L. Not because its a bad build, but because it abuses the fact SSRMs still need fixing, ECM needs a rehaul, lagshields AND lack of collisions. No wonder its so popular.

[Kunae]

Any light with ssrms.

[Xyco]

SRM, AC20 and Gauss CAT.