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[Twilight]

This is my plea to the Devs and Writers.

Please, please, please do not introduce the WoB. That storyline abomination was responsable for one of the worst punchout endings in history.

[The1WithTheGun]

flessar, on 04 November 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

Sweet Jesus! Its AT&T with battlemechs! *pays bill imediatly and 5 months in advance to be sure*

*looks at sig*

**** STRAIGHT!

[jezebel]

Twilight, on 11 November 2011 - 07:13 AM, said:

This is my plea to the Devs and Writers.

Please, please, please do not introduce the WoB. That storyline abomination was responsable for one of the worst punchout endings in history.

Disagree. The fans were responsible for the failure of the franchise, by not putting faith in the devs or giving a chance to a concept that had been pre-ordained since the early 90s and foreshadowed in the 1992 release of the ComStar sourcebook.

In the Jihad Secrets: Blake Documents sourcebook, Randall Bills tells us in a foreword that the schism and the jihad/dark age were decided long ago, while it was in FASA's hands - as a previous post mentioned. WizKids didn't pull it out of their arses.

Edited by jezebel, 11 November 2011 - 07:43 AM.

[The1WithTheGun]

sorcerror, on 05 November 2011 - 11:44 PM, said:

I think part of the problem was how we got (or fell into) the Dark Age in the first place. To me the Word of Blake never seemed like a credible threat. WOB was the impoverished splinter of Comstar surviving with the largesse of the Captain General and then suddenly (relatively suddenly anyway) the Blakists manage to take over the entire show?

Elements within what would become Comstar have been apparently making "take over the inner sphere plans" and stockpiling weapons since the Amaris Civil War. Over the centuries (and mainly due to misinformation and assassinations), few people in "secular" Comstar had any inkling any of this was going on and only the most trusted (read: fanatical) elements within Comstar knew.

"Blakists" have been acive within Comstar for quite a long time - it's just after Operation Scorpion that it becomes a major issue.

Edited by The1WithTheGun, 11 November 2011 - 07:54 AM.

[jezebel]

^ Well said sir.

[Gorthaur]

im sorry but i never liked word of blake in the lore. the civil war and the jihad are 2 major things that started ruining the battletech lore for me. the civil war just because it was really boring imho, and the jihad because it turned into the dark age nonsense. i mean, the IS was already pretty much in a dark age after the star league, did the universe really need to be thrown into another one?

i hope that if the game exists after the clan invasion and keeps going with the story, that they just rewrite battletech history and get rid of the jihad and everything after. it might offend the purists, but hey its a reboot right? i really cannot stand the jihad or the dark age, lol.

/rant

Edited by Gorthaur, 11 November 2011 - 08:57 AM.

[Knt Maverick]

gregsolidus, on 04 November 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Give it a few in game years.

you do realise.. that "game years"... is supposed to a 1:1 ratio with our years..... i do believe that in one of the opening announcments... a day in time for us IRL.. is to be a day in time for the MWO Universe too... so.. if we're to "give it a few game years".. then we'll be wait'n a few years.. lol

[The1WithTheGun]

Knt.Maverick, on 11 November 2011 - 09:04 AM, said:

you do realise.. that "game years"... is supposed to a 1:1 ratio with our years..... i do believe that in one of the opening announcments... a day in time for us IRL.. is to be a day in time for the MWO Universe too... so.. if we're to "give it a few game years".. then we'll be wait'n a few years.. lol

Yeah - that is my understanding as well. So all those people whining about the Jihad - don't worry unless you think you'll be playing this game in twenty real-life years.

[Jack Gallows]

Seriously, no WoB. I'd rather have Dark Age be it's own timeline, with regular battletech have it's own and new future.

I will have to disagree with you a slight bit Gor, I did like the Civil War. It'd be interesting to see how they could have gone around after that had the whole jihad retardation not happened, it'd set an interesting climate instead of "ok, no moar power billz for teh phone for j00 guays!!!! LOLZ: WoB.)

Edited by Jack Gallows, 11 November 2011 - 09:27 AM.

[T S Hawk]

Its 3049 no WOBBIES!! Yay

[Glare]

Jack Gallows, on 11 November 2011 - 09:11 AM, said:

Seriously, no WoB. I'd rather have Dark Age be it's own timeline, with regular battletech have it's own and new future.

Sorry, you've been overruled by the Catalyst Game Labs writing staff and established BattleTech canon. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Gorthaur]

Glare, on 11 November 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

Sorry, you've been overruled by the Catalyst Game Labs writing staff and established BattleTech canon. Enjoy the rest of your day.

they could get away with it if they keep calling it a reboot. seriously though, i hate the whole jihad/dark age stuff, i am on jacks side with the rewrite.

Jack Gallows, on 11 November 2011 - 09:11 AM, said:

I will have to disagree with you a slight bit Gor, I did like the Civil War. It'd be interesting to see how they could have gone around after that had the whole jihad retardation not happened, it'd set an interesting climate instead of "ok, no moar power billz for teh phone for j00 guays!!!! LOLZ: WoB.)

heh i just didn't like victor davion much. actually, i really didn't mind the civil war, it was more the operation bull dog stuff that annoyed me more than anything during that time period. but as long as i don't have to deal with the jihad/dark age nonsense i am happy.

[Jack Gallows]

Glare, on 11 November 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

Sorry, you've been overruled by the Catalyst Game Labs writing staff and established BattleTech canon. Enjoy the rest of your day.

I know full well what the reality is, was just giving my 2 cents. Was your post really necessary?

[yarddog]

The1WithTheGun, on 11 November 2011 - 09:07 AM, said:

Yeah - that is my understanding as well. So all those people whining about the Jihad - don't worry unless you think you'll be playing this game in twenty real-life years.

Another twenty years of BT for me? Not the worst prospect I've ever faced. I can wait twenty years to smash the toaster worshippers. I hate 'em that much. I'll use that time to fuel my mad.

[MPBT Blake]

<3 this thread

[John Clavell]

I really hated WoB storyline, I was seriously gutted to see the Wolf's Dragoons wasted. But over time I've seen the story as a way to make way for new. The main storyline had developed units and characters who had become almost unstoppable and maybe there was no room for new characters and new units.

[Gorthaur]

John Clavell, on 13 November 2011 - 03:31 AM, said:

I really hated WoB storyline, I was seriously gutted to see the Wolf's Dragoons wasted. But over time I've seen the story as a way to make way for new. The main storyline had developed units and characters who had become almost unstoppable and maybe there was no room for new characters and new units.

+1

i honestly think everything after the battle of tukyyid needs to be rewritten, even some of the clan invasion might need some revisiting. some of the authors just get pet characters (im sorry but im pointing my finger at stackpole right now) and they make them all bad @rse and it got out of hand within all of the lore.

i personally got very tired of the civil war because of phelan kell and his renegade wolf brigade, and i was really annoyed by victor davion and is "hail mary pass" with the clans. i mean they got SO lazy with the whole thing at that point. how did the clans go from treating the inner sphere like scum that is below their honor system to being taken down by the scum by their honor system? LAME.

i do not know what happened because everything up to the beginning of the invasion was awesome in the lore, everything after the first part of the invasion just kept going further and further down hill imho.


edit: and for the record, i still HATE the whole jihad/dark age thing more than batman having nipples

Edited by Gorthaur, 13 November 2011 - 03:44 AM.

[Alizabeth Aijou]

John Clavell, on 13 November 2011 - 03:31 AM, said:

I really hated WoB storyline, I was seriously gutted to see the Wolf's Dragoons wasted. But over time I've seen the story as a way to make way for new. The main storyline had developed units and characters who had become almost unstoppable and maybe there was no room for new characters and new units.

Eh, wolf's dragoons getting wasted has been tried before.
House Kurita managed to destroy over half their forces.

Edited by Alizabeth Aijou, 13 November 2011 - 05:54 AM.

[jezebel]

Sometimes I feel like the sole defender of the Jihad ...

I was captivated by the Blake storylines. Maybe I'm a little biased - I chose the Word to roleplay because I like it that much. Do I think they're misguided, and a plague? Hell yes. Did the devastation bring me to my proverbial knees when it was announced? Of course. But the story was captivating. BattleTech is dynamic, and no fan would have it any other way. Did you want to be stuck in 3066/67 forever? We would have been fools to expect our favorites to live out the centuries on Outreach or New Avalon in the same forms they've been in since inception. Life doesn't work like that. A ball was set rolling the day Jerome Blake was given the company that became ComStar. Isn't realism and drama what we love BattleTech roleplay for?

Further, faith/religion and philosophy are not something we get into much in BattleTech, except with ComStar and the Word. In a universe where man is so technologically minded as to be largely faithless, the Orders - among other things - serve the purpose of remembering ancient Terran faiths and esoteric systems. In this universe, man's creed is power and possession above all. Like it or not, that's why the Successor States got bombed into the next millennium. The Word saw no good, no future for mankind as a benevolent or respectable species, in the endless cycles of Succession Wars. For a phoenix to rise, there must be ashes.

[Adridos]

jezebel, on 13 November 2011 - 07:13 AM, said:

Sometimes I feel like the sole defender of the Jihad ...

I was captivated by the Blake storylines. Maybe I'm a little biased - I chose the Word to roleplay because I like it that much. Do I think they're misguided, and a plague? Hell yes. Did the devastation bring me to my proverbial knees when it was announced? Of course. But the story was captivating. BattleTech is dynamic, and no fan would have it any other way. Did you want to be stuck in 3066/67 forever? We would have been fools to expect our favorites to live out the centuries on Outreach or New Avalon in the same forms they've been in since inception. Life doesn't work like that. A ball was set rolling the day Jerome Blake was given the company that became ComStar. Isn't realism and drama what we love BattleTech roleplay for?

Further, faith/religion and philosophy are not something we get into much in BattleTech, except with ComStar and the Word. In a universe where man is so technologically minded as to be largely faithless, the Orders - among other things - serve the purpose of remembering ancient Terran faiths and esoteric systems. In this universe, man's creed is power and possession above all. Like it or not, that's why the Successor States got bombed into the next millennium. The Word saw no good, no future for mankind as a benevolent or respectable species, in the endless cycles of Succession Wars. For a phoenix to rise, there must be ashes.

Well I like the design of the new mechs. Does that make me a defender of Jihad?