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[Huitzipochtli]

Hello guys. My new graphicscard just arrived. My System was: AMD Phenom X4 965 Deneb BE, 8 GB G.Skill DDR3-1600MHz 7-7-7 (running1333 due to CPU), XFX Radeon HD 5850, OCZ Agility 2 120GB SSD ... everything running with Windows 8 ... i played MWO with 1920x1080, no AA/AF and low Details with about 30-40 fps ... now i left the System as it was and exchanged the videocard for an XFX Radeon 7870 BE DoubleDissipation ... the only improvement I got is that i still play 1920x1080p, all Settings medium and no AA/AF with FPS like 30-40 and depending on played map Drops to 20 fps ... is that what i can expect from and 7870?? im really disappointed because i read forumthreads with guys playing mwo at max with 30-40fps with this Card. i feel like somthing is wrong. can anybody tell me whats wrong?

[Barbaric Soul]

what drivers are you using?

[Huitzipochtli]

Catalyst 12.11 (Beta CAP2)

Edited by Huitzipochtli, 10 January 2013 - 05:12 AM.

[Youngblood]

1. Delete your MechWarrior Online/User/Shaders/Cache folder.
2. CAP2 is just an application profile, not the version of the driver itself. Are you talking about Catalyst 12.11 BETA11? If not, try it.
3. What's your motherboard spec? MWO is VERY highly CPU-bound right now. You may need to overclock that beautiful Deneb 965 of yours.

[LiqMat]

Huitzipochtli, on 10 January 2013 - 03:28 AM, said:

Hello guys. My new graphicscard just arrived. My System was: AMD Phenom X4 965 Deneb BE, 8 GB G.Skill DDR3-1600MHz 7-7-7 (running1333 due to CPU), XFX Radeon HD 5850, OCZ Agility 2 120GB SSD ... everything running with Windows 8 ... i played MWO with 1920x1080, no AA/AF and low Details with about 30-40 fps ... now i left the System as it was and exchanged the videocard for an XFX Radeon 7870 BE DoubleDissipation ... the only improvement I got is that i still play 1920x1080p, all Settings medium and no AA/AF with FPS like 30-40 and depending on played map Drops to 20 fps ... is that what i can expect from and 7870?? im really disappointed because i read forumthreads with guys playing mwo at max with 30-40fps with this Card. i feel like somthing is wrong. can anybody tell me whats wrong?

There is something wrong. Definitely do as Youngblood suggested and install the latest Beta 11 12/3/2012 driver from AMD's website.

This is the order I do things and I always get the best performance this way.

1.) Download latest driver and CAP.
2.) Uninstall current CAP first (reboot) and then uninstall current driver (reboot) in that order.
3.) Run Driver Sweeper. I use version 3.2.0.
4.) In Driver Sweeper check "AMD - Display" box and click on the "Clean" button at the bottom left hand corner.
5.) Reboot when Driver Sweeper asks me to.
6.) Get the latest CCleaner.
7.) Run CCleaner and on the left hand sidebar choose the cleaner icon and then click on the "Run Cleaner" button @ left hand bottom.
8.) In CCleaner click on "Registry" icon on left hand sidebar and click on "Scan for Issues" button.
9.) If it finds any issues I click on "Fix selected issues..." button. Afterwards I repeat steps 8 and 9 until it does not find any issues in the registry.
10.) Install new AMD driver (reboot) and then install CAP (reboot).
11.) Download latest DirectX and reinstall for good measure.

Edited by LiqMat, 10 January 2013 - 08:34 AM.

[Catamount]

To be honest, I'm not that surprised. A 7870 is only modestly faster than a 5850 in the first place (maybe 30%?), and that 5850 was probably already just about giving the framerates that could be expected from a 965BE, since, as others have noted, this is a very CPU-bound game. Medium at 30-40fps, and down to the 20s was what my 965BE was getting me, too.

Wait until DX11 comes along, and the performance should get considerably better for you, OP. Until then, the game is reasonably smooth and very playable at a good resolution. That's a fine state of affairs to be in right now

[Huitzipochtli]

hey guys, thank you very much for giving me your time! firstly: yes i already did use the latest driver you mentioned (i know CAPs are just game-specific profiles) i followed mentiond steps and it just did not work out. i also changed the 7870 against the 5850 and the results for both cards using medium graphicoptions and no aa/af were: 5850: ~25-30fps, 7870, 15-45 fps ... so the f..... old card was muuuuuuch more stable! i returned my new card to salesman and will stay with my old 5850... thats just not worth about 220 bucks. @ youngblood: got an asrock 870extreme 3 r2.0 for my Deneb.

i will save some mones and get and i5 3570k + gtx 660ti =)

[Catamount]

So the 7870 was slower? Man, that is strange.

In any case, like I said, wait for DX11, see where performance stands when that's out, and then make a decision on whether you need new hardware. Once the CPU is removed as the bottleneck, even a 5850 can do a good job (I get 40-50, mix of med/high, with a 3570k and an old 5850; I'll be upgrading to a 7970ghz edition, or a GTX780 if they're good enough, but not just for MWO).

Edited by Catamount, 10 January 2013 - 09:38 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Yea i can't really say that was surprising, at DX9 level the 7870 and 5850 would not be that far apart.

Out of curiosity looking at the FPS dips, what is the power rating difference between the two? Anyone know

[Catamount]

They're effectively identical; the 7870 consumes maybe 20W more.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

It's remotely possible it was the CPU bottlenecking you. Not saying likely, but... remote possibillity is still a possiblity, just thought I'd throw that out there.

Way to test that would be to get that i3750 and use it with your current GPU first and see what improves vs your current rig. Finally install the 660ti and see what happens. Would be interesting.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 10 January 2013 - 11:36 AM.

[Aznpersuasion89]

wouldnt it have been wiser to keep the 7870 for future DX11? im using a 7850 and getting around 40-50 FPS while at ~50% gpu load. i feel the 5XXX card may have troubles with DX11 and you may be wishing you kept the 7870.

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Aznpersuasion89, on 10 January 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

wouldnt it have been wiser to keep the 7870 for future DX11? im using a 7850 and getting around 40-50 FPS while at ~50% gpu load. i feel the 5XXX card may have troubles with DX11 and you may be wishing you kept the 7870.

As it may relate to the OP's issue and my theory, what is your CPU?

[LiqMat]

Huitzipochtli, on 10 January 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

hey guys, thank you very much for giving me your time! firstly: yes i already did use the latest driver you mentioned (i know CAPs are just game-specific profiles) i followed mentiond steps and it just did not work out. i also changed the 7870 against the 5850 and the results for both cards using medium graphicoptions and no aa/af were: 5850: ~25-30fps, 7870, 15-45 fps ... so the f..... old card was muuuuuuch more stable! i returned my new card to salesman and will stay with my old 5850... thats just not worth about 220 bucks. @ youngblood: got an asrock 870extreme 3 r2.0 for my Deneb.

i will save some mones and get and i5 3570k + gtx 660ti =)

I am just curious. What PSU are you using?

Edited by LiqMat, 10 January 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[Aznpersuasion89]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 10 January 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

As it may relate to the OP's issue and my theory, what is your CPU?

Amd Phenom II X4 975 at 3.7GHZ

[Sir Roland MXIII]

Aznpersuasion89, on 10 January 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Amd Phenom II X4 975 at 3.7GHZ

Hmmm. I'd say my theory could be "busted" then but mileage varies. Ah well, good to know.

LiqMat, on 10 January 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

I am just curious. What PSU are you using?

Good question.

Edited by Sir Roland MXIII, 10 January 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[Aznpersuasion89]

my theory is that this game is less then optimized for anyone. ive seen people with rigs far better then mine get worse frame rates. i think it really just come down to luck of the draw. i have been fortunate enough to NOT experience many of the problems associated with the game. however, i still think you should get that card back. not only will it help with this game IF it goes DX11, but what about all the current DX11 games out right now. that 5XXX card cant be doing too well.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Catamount, on 10 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

They're effectively identical; the 7870 consumes maybe 20W more.

So it's unlikey the PSU is struggling to keep up with the power draw then, hmm

[Catamount]

5xxx cards have no problem with DX11, whatsoever. True, they have less powerful tessellation capabilities, but newer cards have so much more tessellation power than actual games ever use, that it never gets made use of by anything other than artificial stress tests like Heaven and 3dmark. IIRC, the Geforce 400 series had twice the tessellation power of the Radeon HD 5000 series, yet the latter had no trouble keeping up in games.

Honestly, the 7870 is such a modest upgrade over the 5850 in the first place, I think it was the right decision not to keep it. Getting a 20-30% performance boost is a pretty tiny gain to be spending over 200 bucks on. I think the OP should hold out until the money is there for a much more substantial upgrade. I'm not upgrading my 5850 (which I run many DX11 titles on) until I can afford a 7970GE in a few weeks, and I would have held out for the 8970 if it wasn't going to be an almost nonexistent upgrade over current offerings.

Aznpersuasion89, on 10 January 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

im using a 7850 and getting around 40-50 FPS while at ~50% gpu load.

Aznpersuasion89, on 10 January 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Amd Phenom II X4 975 at 3.7GHZ

Hmm, so it seems to me that the takeaway here is that Phenom IIs are not powerful enough to avoid being bottlenecks if you're only having half your GPU used :/

Again, that'll get better when DX11 comes (when, not if )

Edited by Catamount, 10 January 2013 - 12:08 PM.

[Aznpersuasion89]

Catamount, on 10 January 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

5xxx cards have no problem with DX11, whatsoever. True, they have less powerful tessellation capabilities, but newer cards have so much more tessellation power than actual games ever use, that it never gets made use of by anything other than artificial stress tests like Heaven and 3dmark. IIRC, the Geforce 400 series had twice the tessellation power of the Radeon HD 5000 series, yet the latter had no trouble keeping up in games.

Honestly, the 7870 is such a modest upgrade over the 5850 in the first place, I think it was the right decision not to keep it. Getting a 20-30% performance boost is a pretty tiny gain to be spending over 200 bucks on. I think the OP should hold out until the money is there for a much more substantial upgrade. I'm not upgrading my 5850 (which I run many DX11 titles on) until I can afford a 7970GE in a few weeks, and I would have held out for the 8970 if it wasn't going to be an almost nonexistent upgrade over current offerings.





Hmm, so it seems to me that the takeaway here is that Phenom IIs are not powerful enough to avoid being bottlenecks if you're only having half your GPU used :/

Again, that'll get better when DX11 comes (when, not if )

im not getting full CPU load either. i will play metro 2033 on ultra with 99% gpu load, so i dont think my CPU is a bottle neck.

thanks for the info on the 5850

Edited by Aznpersuasion89, 10 January 2013 - 12:11 PM.