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[RainbowToh]

Title says it all.

[Ozric]

Not pointless. Inefficient, perhaps.

[Pok Gai]

Obvious thread stating the obvious.

[RainbowToh]

Ozric, on 15 January 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Not pointless. Inefficient, perhaps.

Well yes, very inefficient. Really need the ECM tweak. Pointless to mount streaks on ur light unless u have ECM as well.

[fighttheman87]

RainbowToh, on 15 January 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

Title says it all.

I drive a light and i scout without an ecm i do pretty well. Normally i don't get a kill but i get a few assist and a couple of spot bonuses. I generally suck at video games yet i can pilot without an ecm can you?

[RainbowToh]

fighttheman87, on 15 January 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I drive a light and i scout without an ecm i do pretty well. Normally i don't get a kill but i get a few assist and a couple of spot bonuses. I generally suck at video games yet i can pilot without an ecm can you?

Yes I can but only if the other team isnt fielding ECM n streaks cus I cant really compete with my lag. Oh regional servers pls!

[seymourbalzac]

I hold my own with my LB 10-X AC, 2 ML raven, I pull 300-400 damage every game and I can get a bunch of assists and spotting bonuses provided my team doesn't suck.

[Bobby Bolivia]

I guess it depends on what you want to get out of MWO...

If you want to use the best possible equipment to accomplish a specific task, then use what's best suited to the task on paper. (ECM's)

If you treat MWO like a game and are in it for enjoyment and want to experiment a little, then use whatever floats your boat.

[Vassago Rain]

seymourbalzac, on 15 January 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

I hold my own with my LB 10-X AC, 2 ML raven, I pull 300-400 damage every game and I can get a bunch of assists and spotting bonuses provided my team doesn't suck.

Yeah, okay. Enjoy your LBX10 on that raven.

[skullman86]

ECM is far too valuable an asset to leave in your garage.

If they wont give ECM counters, they need to change the way people use the mechs that can equip it. We need BIG maps to promote skirmishing/scouting rather than ECM bubble brawls and we need some lower end electronic gear (seismic sensors etc.) for all the mechs that cant carry Guardian ECM...if not that, at least gimp the **** out of ECM equipped mechs with some variant specific quirks (less torso twist, slower turning speed, etc.) so they stop being the go to mechs in every match.

[Krivvan]

If they want TAG to be the counter to ECM as they've stated, it may be better for TAG to entirely negate the abilities of ECM at any range for the mech using it. A streak light with a TAG could then fight on equal grounds with an ECM light making it a counter as was intended. As it is now, TAG is only somewhat useful for LRM.

[RainbowToh]

Krivvan, on 15 January 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

If they want TAG to be the counter to ECM as they've stated, it may be better for TAG to entirely negate the abilities of ECM at any range for the mech using it. A streak light with a TAG could then fight on equal grounds with an ECM light making it a counter as was intended. As it is now, TAG is only somewhat useful for LRM.

Streak TAG doesnt really work well. Light mechs move too fast for the TAG to properly work and you need to keep the TAG on for a full second or less for the streak to lock on. I tried. N since lasers are DOT, it is hard to get full damage on a fast moving ECM streak light while it happily plummets u with its streaks.

Edited by RainbowToh, 15 January 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[Eddrick]

Ozric, on 15 January 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Not pointless. Inefficient, perhaps.

This prity much sums it up. Thier speed is what they are realy best for. ECM is just an extra boost to thier defence.

[RainbowToh]

I think ECM should increase lockon time for streaks n lrm by ALOT instead of negating them completely.

[seymourbalzac]

Vassago Rain, on 15 January 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Yeah, okay. Enjoy your LBX10 on that raven.

I do enjoy it and i still move at 113 km/h which is the fastest that Raven can go without speed tweak, I'll admit it's not as strong as the ECM Raven by any means but all I was trying to point out that a non ECM light can still contribute to the team

[RainbowToh]

seymourbalzac, on 15 January 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

I do enjoy it and i still move at 113 km/h which is the fastest that Raven can go without speed tweak, I'll admit it's not as strong as the ECM Raven by any means but all I was trying to point out that a non ECM light can still contribute to the team

Of cus a non ECM light can contribute but to what extent is the question?

[idle crow]

RainbowToh, on 15 January 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Streak TAG doesnt really work well. Light mechs move too fast for the TAG to properly work and you need to keep the TAG on for a full second or less for the streak to lock on. I tried. N since lasers are DOT, it is hard to get full damage on a fast moving ECM streak light while it happily plummets u with its streaks.

It won't be perfect but it at least give you a chance to gain streak lock. As it stands now you have to get lock and fire between 200m-180m. That a lot harder then trying to keep a tag laser over a fast moving light.

[Eddrick]

RainbowToh, on 15 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Of cus a non ECM light can contribute but to what extent is the question?

Everything an ECM Mech can do minus the benifits of ECM. If you can't find the differance. Then you have become to dependant on ECM.

[seymourbalzac]

RainbowToh, on 15 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Of cus a non ECM light can contribute but to what extent is the question?

As per my previous post 300-400 damage a game as well as just a constant annoyance. You'd be surprised how many people try really hard to take out that annoying raving that's juking them through buildings and such which only helps my team.

[SkyCake]

make streaks immune to ecm... problem solved