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#1 trebormills


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:21 AM

Well i missed out on the closed beta and signed up recently- This game is excellent (but not perfect)

The bad:
ECM- sucks a lot of fun from the game at the mo (l2p is not a defense re this)
Trial Mechs- they are simply not as good as the non trial options
Learning curve- you will be totally outclassed at first
No collisions- needs to go back in (once fixed)
Lag screen- so frustrating, punish the lagger not the good ping
RnR removed- I would find a way of adding it back
bugs- its beta some some slack given, but man 4fps, memory leak, screen font issue etc are frustrating
Tutorial- could do with IN GAME stuff, not links to webpage and you tube. Both would be awesome

The good-
Visuals are excellent
Controls- feel right once you get used to them
the mechs- look and sound awesome
core gameplay- superb
Cadet bonus- excellent
trial mechs- lets you play and are not awful

Some fixes I would like to see as the game goes on

I like the idea but hate the implementation- matches with no ecm (they do still happen) are so much more fun. Just watch out for those lrm's. I hear that ecm is being looked at, hopefully for the good
Matches with no ecm= 9.9/10
with balanced ecm 5/10
with overpowering ECM on one side 1/10 (doesnt matter which side your on, its sucks fun so much)

Seriously they are terribad right now. Look awesome and its sounds fun to overheat an enemy so team can cut em to pieces- sadly just doesn’t happen that way.

would help light mechs show some respect to assault mechs.
I find it annoying that an atlas on my own team can lean on me at the spawn and damage my leg, yet a light can run into same Atlas over and over doing the lag shield and seem immune to damage. The you tube vids of the old collision system is a sign why it got nerfed but needs to come back in some form asap

I like the idea that you need to maintain the mech- i would suggest a % reduction, on cbills earned, for ammo use and repairs etc. Income would need to go back up again to compensate.

up to 25% ammo used -5%, up to 70% -10% and 15% over that
up to 25% damage -5%, up to 70% -10% and dead -20%
so max deduction -35%

keeps flavour without serious punishment

some games are rush to base and cap- game over in less than 2 mins- YAWN. Other games no one caps and goes for kills and you lose to the other side who does cap.
Great Idea but needs tweaks. More game modes will help here.

In game comms-
Needs keyboard Macros or built in VOIP to really fly- Yes I heard that Teamspeak servers exsist. Maybe flag this better for Noobs. Some great posts on the forums here about having a system for tagging an enemy and hitting a key which sends a team message- attack target B, rally at section d7, push to epsilon cap etc

A lot of flames and hate at times but its the internet so you need to roll with it. Devs need to use the announcements effectively.

Overall loving the game, finally getting some good damage in on the enemies and having fun.

edits- formatting got messed so hopefully fixed
ps yes my spelling and grammer sucks

Edited by trebormills, 17 January 2013 - 05:24 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:35 AM

Hey! Welcome! Good to see fresh blood still coming in. ;)

I can tell you ECM gets better when you start playing with friends. It's not unbeatable so you can learn how to overcome it. But it can be extremely tough not knowing at the beginning. Turns the learning curve to a learning cliff. :)

Other than that looks like you pretty much hit the nail on the head everywhere else. You did forget to mention Streaks in the bad but that's just me talking. :P

Edited by Kargarok, 17 January 2013 - 06:35 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

I love streaks...only way to deal with those dam ravens ;P

Yeah ssrm needs fixing along with netcode

Only done 1x 2 man drop as persuaded my mate to give it a go in return for trying out a free WoW session (he is mad for that MMO). He seems to not hate it- not sure how much he will be trying it out. Seems to have gone Stalker trial mech route

Finally found my kill ratio...oh dear not looking good...apparently Im approaching 360 ish games

Edited by trebormills, 17 January 2013 - 08:05 AM.

#4 Koniving

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:00 AM

View Posttrebormills, on 17 January 2013 - 03:21 AM, said:

Well i missed out on the closed beta and signed up recently- This game is excellent (but not perfect)

I'll address 4 FPS bug first. It does not occur on Very High settings. I've only experienced it once, and it was two patches ago when I decided to try medium settings. I have never experienced it again after switching back. At the time I did the change because the game had some LoD change issues that were drawn out with checkerboard grey ants consuming a part of the map and then leaving behind a more detailed piece of map in a process that took 2 to 5 seconds. Issues that I later found out was from corrupted shaders; frequently delete your shaders cache located here:

MechWarrior Online\USER\Shaders\Cache <--DELETE THE EVIL! Delete the EVIL!!!

On to the next item.

Trial 'Mechs, some are good, some really are awful (case in point, giving an XL engine to a new player is a BAD idea; avoid the Centurion 9D it dies on losing side torsos. Dragon's build is very limited ammunition-wise and extremely bad with heat. But man do I love the Commando 1-B. Very skill oriented, yes, but an awesome little 'Mech even if most things can kill it in a single shot.)

Let's see here...

ECM --

big issue here is that ECM was meant to remove all accuracy bonuses from LRMs, and in the table top that means that missiles miss about 75% of the time. Since only maneuvering makes missiles miss (somehow the concept of an error-miss ratio being increased instead hasn't occurred to them or was thrown out), they decided the solution was to combine Stealth Armor's effects, as well as the effects of another type of ECM (Angel), to effectively turn it into a cloaking device. Remember that "TAG" is their designated counter, but since the scouts refused to carry it, they enhanced the tag for the LRM boats to tag for themselves (breaking many strategic combat roles and turning scouts into front-line fighters that can single-handedly take down assault 'Mechs [I do it on a regular basis]). Even its current implementation wouldn't be so bad, but they gave ECM to all of the MISSILE HEAVY 'Mechs. O.o;

Many solutions were thought of, such as ECM prevents you from using streaks and/or lrms; ECM does not cloak you and allows for targeting and highly inaccurate lock-ons; 'ghost targets' to make hitting you into a hit or miss game depending on whether you locked onto the real or a false target (requiring scouts to, uh, actually scout again) ; changing who carries the ECM to 'Mechs that do not have missile launchers (promoting teamwork instead of solo or squad ECM missions) ; ECM-balancing considered during matchmaking v0.04's decision making process.


used to be super powerful; 4 of them allowed me to take on two Atlas (back when there was only one map and collisions/knockdowns) without ever overheating (due to my high number of heat sinks). It was hilariously fun. The Hunchback 4P was popular for it as well with the 9 flamers. Now they are the opposite, they overheat you too quickly. However if you're serious about using flamers, my recommendation is double heat sinks, a powerful engine at 210 or greater, and two flamers. It can be more but you'll heat up instead of balance out. Set them together in the same group. Chainfire. That's enough to do the job right so long as you can stay close, and even in Caustic Valley you can stay under 50% heat on a Commando while launching missiles.

You'll thank me with a like. :P


are a fickle thing. Given the very early "we'll make hacking / cheating nearly impossible" mentality, the game's netcode is almost entirely network reliant. Optimizations have removed the delays in our actions as the client asks for permission from the server. Rubber-banding, a symptom of the server and one or more clients involved in a squabble about who gets to be where, is also a sign that a "collision" would have occurred. It was great, actually, as the instant the clients and servers argued, the server had a cure-all command. "I was here." "No I was here first." "No no I was first!" Server: "Shut up and fall over." Clients: "O...okay." Sadly a new argument started between both ends. Client: "I fell to the left." Network: "No, you fell to the right." Second client: "Which is it!? OMG TELL ME!" Eventually we'll see which one the Network physics engine saw because the 'Mech will get up there. Until then the 'Mech would teleport back and forth rapidly. When I explained this for the first time, someone dubbed it Schrödinger's 'Mech. Although, I really wish we'd call it Koniving's 'Mech.

Rearm and repair

Already existed. People hated it. Personally I'm fine with it being gone. However -- HOWEVER -- when the "actual" game with the planet conquering and the factions holding key resources on various planets, etc., etc., etc. actually comes into gameplay, I'll be fine with it returning. Both tell-tales from devs and rumor/hear-say claim that community warfare will allow the various houses to fight for territory (planets), making real-time shifts in power each day as groups strategically make advances into enemy systems to claim resources and ground. Some planets are derelict of benefits. Some would have cheaper repairs, some cheaper ammo, some cheaper weapons, some would have certain 'Mechs at cheaper rates, others would be advantageous for defense, others would be very difficult to defend, and then through it all, supply lines would have to be maintained with the entire community working together.

For example one group could be making a huge push towards a capital planet, taking planet after planet in a straight line without securing their supply lines. Another group aligned with the same house could see what the first group is doing and then follow suit, establishing supply lines while telling other groups to rush ahead and support the first group. Of course, those on the defending side could see this progress over the process of real life days, and then send their forces to set up reinforced strategic barricades against them to wipe the force out and send them back. Should the supply lines not reach that first force in time, they can be there with depleted ammo or botched repairs, leaving them very vulnerable and able to be pushed back. This either forces that first group to retreat to the nearest supply line (allowing those planets to be retaken by the defending team uncontested), or force the attacking force back a planet, to be rechallenged again and again in their weakened condition until humiliated and shamed back into their place. Of course, if that original group made it to the capital and won, talk about the glory and tales that could be had. The losing forces would have to begin dedicating and coordinating themselves to retaking their capital planet. Great fun to be had then! But... finishing the beta and hashing out the issues comes first. Til then, let's leave the RnR out.


Originally implemented because team loadouts were not equal (one might have a few 60 kph Jenners, a Commando or two, and a Dragon or Hunchback, the other would have 8 Atlases. Naturally this was an issue), the game actually rewarded capturing bases over total conquest. At the time without a Stealth ECM, this was a very challenging and rewarding goal. With ECM, it became incredibly easy. As such, the reward for capturing (and enemy alive bonuses) stopped. Still, it is the easiest way to win a losing battle so it will continue to happen. It's the only chance pugs have against an army of 8 ECM 'Mechs all totting streaks.

In game comms

Supposedly C3 handles this. However it used to crash my game every time it started, only to have to be restarted with my game, so I gave up on it. Comstar's got a great TS. Check out the "Hi I'm Gunnthar" thread, I put a TS address for Comstar and its password there.


I honestly think they're doing fine with that. My only issue is that the announcements on the front page are hard to reach and comment on as they have to be found within the forums to do so.

Expect visuals to improve more, I've been noticing retextures happening in a lot of places in the maps. Someone even noticed a few patches ago that the commando's been significantly improved visually. Cosmetic touch-ups are frequent and unannounced so keep your eyes open. Never know when putting the AC-20 on the K2 will make for very large, visible barrels!

Oh, I also have another great way to deal with Ravens. Catapult K-2, AC-20x2. Ravens die within one to two trigger pulls when hit (wait until they rush head on, you don't even have to hit them directly). Bam. Dead. It's great.

Good luck out there, and I'm putting together a tutorial series and will be announcing some of my non-standard builds and how to make them including the energy versions of GaussCats (both pult and phract) and AC-20Cat (pult), AC-20 / Gauss Raven, various really good builds including the never-shutting-down series of super heat efficient but still deadly 'Mechs. Everything except my invincible Atlas (because once people know how it's built, it won't be invincible anymore).

Say hi if you see me in the field. Check out my vids if you need ideas.

Edited by Koniving, 18 January 2013 - 09:15 AM.

#5 Penneywize


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:06 AM

Wow. If you are indeed a fairly new player and came up with all those suggestions, kudos to you sir. I agree on all points. Not a single thing written is contentious.

Implement these suggestions ASAP, in my opinion. They're even-handed and constructive overall.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:16 AM

I agree. Btw, Penney are you on? I'll hop on with ya right now. Need to show you my new ballistics based anti-light Raven. Kills in 2 to 3 shots.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:20 AM

View PostPenneywize, on 18 January 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

Wow. If you are indeed a fairly new player and came up with all those suggestions, kudos to you sir. I agree on all points. Not a single thing written is contentious.

Implement these suggestions ASAP, in my opinion. They're even-handed and constructive overall.

Maybe not contentious but I disagree.

IF things are corrected in the right order, I think people will find ECM to be less troublesome than it is now honestly. ECM reduces (doesn't negate) lock on missiles to a degree which is a good thing in many ways. Being showered with LRMs forever and a day can be a bit tiresome, lol (I exaggerate).

People don't complain overly much about the DDC and its ECM oddly enough, why do you think that is? I think its because it doesn't enjoy some advantages that actually help ECM lights become the terrors they are. Lights gain the added benefit of speed which in this game is further enhanced by the necessity to accurately lagshoot (very hard to do) be it issues with latency, netcode whatever....combined with lack of collision penalties for the little buggers and it makes taking ECM lights a real common thing in PUG matches where the OP is likely spending alot of his/her time.

I am willing to bet the Devs are working netcode and collision and then letting the dust settle before tweaking ECM much. I could be wrong but honestly, addressing a balance issue that's contingent on game mechanics before you've fixed the game mechanics seems like a recipe for frustration to me. I sincerely hope they prioritize fixes rather than trying to shotgunning them all. Will just make it that much harder for them to figure out WHAT needs fixing if they try to do a bunch at once. Time to reduce variables and get the game working right.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

Thanks for the info- ill be on for the weekend (based UK)

Seems I installed MWO around the 7th of Jan- I have watched a load of you tube vids, started listening to the Podcast and enjoy the Twitch feeds. I also lurk on Forums a lot. Love the game most of the time- sometimes i just want to scream at my noobness.

Nudging 380 plays now. Win loss not as bad as kill ratio- I notice i get rolled easier with heavy ecm at mo. Having said that an lrm boat + lrm load out heavy team destroyed me today

To the Devs- keep up the good work (plus invent extra days in the week so you can code quicker)

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