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Ecm Vs Abp


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Poll: Ecm Vs Abp (37 member(s) have cast votes)

Whats better?

  1. ECM (35 votes [94.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.59%

  2. BAP (2 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

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#1 WolvesX

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:23 AM

Greetings fellow BETA Testers!

Lets compare two parts of equipment:

ECM | BAP

Costs: 400k = equal
Slots: 2 | 2 = equal
Tons: 1.5 | 1.5 = equal

BAP: 25% buff to sensor range, 25% faster target info, Ability to detect unpowerd mechs in 120m range.

ECM: Cloaks ALL friendly mechs within 180m, that means you can' target them, you won't get info and you can share info, it prevents you from fireing lock on weapons, 50% slower weapon locks, 25% slower target info, hides your signal from friends.

What do you think?

EDIT: Thank you MR Moonsavage

Edited by WolvesX, 23 January 2013 - 04:25 AM.


#2 Moonsavage

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:24 AM

Aaah... you mean BAP

#3 King Arthur IV

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:26 AM

apb-bap igp-pig
what else does this community like to make their own?

#4 MustrumRidcully

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:57 AM

Well... It's pretty obvious that something is off. The question is more - what's a "fairer" setup that's more reasonable? (There are plenty of ideas on this, of course.)

View PostKing Arthur IV, on 23 January 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

apb-bap igp-pig
what else does this community like to make their own?

Only a rouge would come up with such ideas.

#5 WolvesX

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:34 AM

View PostMustrumRidcully, on 23 January 2013 - 04:57 AM, said:

Well... It's pretty obvious that something is off. The question is more - what's a "fairer" setup that's more reasonable? (There are plenty of ideas on this, of course.)


Only a rouge would come up with such ideas.

Sorry my english isn't that good, what you mean please?

#6 Sifright

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:52 AM

my APB is way more powerful I get to drive around a city and mow innocent civilians down with my recently stolen car.

Ecm just doesn't compare to that.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:34 AM

I think that if they are going to defenestrate the old TT/MW EW system, as they have with ECM, the least they could do is make BAP useful, and since TAG works outside the bubble, it makes sense that BAP should work inside the bubble, i.e. a more powerful sensor that can "burn through" ECM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:43 AM

View PostCodejack, on 23 January 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

I think that if they are going to defenestrate the old TT/MW EW system, as they have with ECM, the least they could do is make BAP useful, and since TAG works outside the bubble, it makes sense that BAP should work inside the bubble, i.e. a more powerful sensor that can "burn through" ECM.


This is a good idea, you become an ecm killer. Though, the best way to deal with ecm is to remove ecm from light mechs that have missile hard points and put them on ones with ballistic and laser hard points. It is the streak/ecm combo that is cheese, not ecm per se.

#9 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:01 AM

21 ecm to 1 bap hmmmm i wonder

#10 Apoc1138

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:03 AM

really? another ECM thread? when the devs have already stated that ECM is going to be reviewed and some changes implemented

#11 Korbyn McColl

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:03 AM

View PostCodejack, on 23 January 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

I think that if they are going to defenestrate the old TT/MW EW system, as they have with ECM, the least they could do is make BAP useful, and since TAG works outside the bubble, it makes sense that BAP should work inside the bubble, i.e. a more powerful sensor that can "burn through" ECM.


This is probably the best suggestion I've heard on this. That said, the one thing that seems to be missing with BAP is the actual active probing. I have found myself being targetted by LRMs when I have no target myself when equipped with a BAP. Technically speaking, once an opponent gets a lock on a mech with a BAP the BAP should be able to lock onto them (assuming the targetted mech isn't already targeting someone else), irregardless of whether or not the LRM armed mech is covered by ECM. Basically, the BAP is targeting the source of the incoming missile lock. If ECM scrambles that, it would also scramble the missile lock itself, making it useless near LRMs.

So...yeah...a potential fix to ECM is to make BAP able to cut through any ECM interference on mechs within 180m of the BAP as well as permitting a BAP to auto lock onto any mech that acquires a missile lock on the BAP equipped mech, regardless of range.

#12 WolvesX

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:25 AM

View PostCodejack, on 23 January 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

I think that if they are going to defenestrate the old TT/MW EW system, as they have with ECM, the least they could do is make BAP useful, and since TAG works outside the bubble, it makes sense that BAP should work inside the bubble, i.e. a more powerful sensor that can "burn through" ECM.


Yup!

#13 Trev Firestorm

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:34 AM

Yeah, OP missed the part about ECM completely negating BAP, that is BAP bonuses aren't even allowed to apply before the ECM negative effects (modules on the other hand do). Definitely agree that BAP should burn through ECM.

Edited by Trev Firestorm, 27 January 2013 - 09:35 AM.


#14 Kousagi

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:37 AM

Why would to compare BAP to ECM? BAP was 99% useless even before ECM came out.... No one used it other then streak cats... and the only reason they had it was so they could target shutdown mechs, as that was the only way to escape their lock ons till BAP came out.

#15 WolvesX

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:45 AM

View PostTrev Firestorm, on 27 January 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

Yeah, OP missed the part about ECM completely negating BAP, that is BAP bonuses aren't even allowed to apply before the ECM negative effects (modules on the other hand do). Definitely agree that BAP should burn through ECM.


Oh ya, sorry.





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