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[Sandslice]

Saxophonist, on 21 January 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

It was that way in canon. The 2X and 4X were prototypes, and not production models. They were total crap there and they are total crap here. The 3L was useful in TT, and it is useful here.

Actually, the 2x and 4x were field refits for the 1x, which carried a primitive EW equipment that combined the active probe and ECM in only a small radius. 2x went with a large laser and up-armour, while 4x went with jump jets, machine guns, and even more up-armour.

The 3L's big advantage lies in just how much lostech turned out to be useful for an idealised scout/support 'Mech - which is why the stock 3L has ECM, BAP, TAG, and Narc - take ALL the EW gear!

[Saxophonist]

StalaggtIKE, on 21 January 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

Funny you would bring that up. ECM does not function as it does in BT lore. Currently it's functioning as Angeles ECM suite, null signature and stealth armor. And even then it shouldn't be causing a stealth bubble for allies.

That's absolutely true; and I do agree ECM needs a change, however that isn't the topic of this particular thread.

shintakie, on 21 January 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Except to complete the analogy the car that just got finished is still missin a couple wheels and its meant to race against insert car here.

It would win against a Yugo, at least!

[Lukoi Banacek]

Jenner doesn't need it but the 4X idea was interesting. I kind of like the thought of moving the ECM capacity to the slower "gimped" Raven and seeing how that shakes out.

[AV 4 T 4 R]

Saxophonist, on 20 January 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Maybe you guys should read up on BT canon. The Raven 3L had ECM. In fact, it was THE ECM mech for the IS. Removing ECM from it is like saying "Well, this game isn't based on BattleTech anymore". The solution is to simply LEARN TO AIM. I kill 3Ls all the time with AC/20s.

Really! What is the sense of this comment?.... Learn to Aim?
Forgive me for the "OT" feedback now, but I dont think the solution of all our problems, troubles, bug, unbalanced items is "JUST AIM" or "BUY SKILL" or "LEARN this, LEARN that"....

This is the typical comment where you dont want to minimally contribute to the community and you just connect at 4PM, play 20 minutes and wonder "WHY PEOPLE is so bored with the actual gameplay" without minimally understanding what's happening in the game...

Battletech is Battletech, this is a book, this is a fantasy universe, this is a tabletop game... MWO is MWO and this is based on "mouse + keyboard + aim" gameplay that mix SIM to FPS game design.... What perfectly works on TableTop could seriously CRASH the MWO gameplay... so stop making comparison it's nonsense. Things must be tweaked to work as a FPS PC game, not as a "novel sci-fi" or "a card game" or whatever...

[shintakie]

AV 4 T 4 R, on 21 January 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

Really! What is the sense of this comment?.... Learn to Aim?
Forgive me for the "OT" feedback now, but I dont think the solution of all our problems, troubles, bug, unbalanced items is "JUST AIM" or "BUY SKILL" or "LEARN this, LEARN that"....

This is the typical comment where you dont want to minimally contribute to the community and you just connect at 4PM, play 20 minutes and wonder "WHY PEOPLE is so bored with the actual gameplay" without minimally understanding what's happening in the game...

Battletech is Battletech, this is a book, this is a fantasy universe, this is a tabletop game... MWO is MWO and this is based on "mouse + keyboard + aim" gameplay that mix SIM to FPS game design.... What perfectly works on TableTop could seriously CRASH the MWO gameplay... so stop making comparison it's nonsense. Things must be tweaked to work as a FPS PC game, not as a "novel sci-fi" or "a card game" or whatever...

You are respondin to someone who only used that argument to counter someone elses argument that the 3L havin ECM was canon to explain how hidin behind the "its canon!" argument doesn't always work.