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[Morang]

In line with my general interest in the separatist/secessionist movements across the IS I request your help.

I'm trying to find the flag or coat of arms of the Federation of Skye and/or Free Skye Movement. Not particular regiment insignia, but the national symbol. As far I was unable to find it in Sarna or google it with any level of confidence and I don't know if such symbols exist canonically at all. My search returned only that:



Don't know if it's true, as the Google picture search is reluctant to give more hits. I also guess if the symbol of the Federation may coincide with the planetary flag of Skye.



Any similar info about other lesser powers or founder states of great powers, even without secessionist sentiments as of 3049, is very welcome as well (Tikonov republic, Sarna Supremacy, various states of FWL, Tamar Pact, Protectorat of Donegal etc), though may be offtopic for Steiner forum.

[Ghost B]

I'd say the shield looks too close to the 17th Skye Rangers insignia to be a Skye March flag. I think the green flag would a safer bet. Green seems to be Skye's favourite colour(they use dark green on dress uniforms as opposed to the standard Lyran blue, the Skye-only medal uses a green ribbon) but that's all I can come up with.

The green flag looks like its sourced from Masters and Minions , if you can get your hands on a copy maybe the book has some hints on whether it functions as the flag of the overall Skye March or not.

[Beazle]

This could be a challenge to pin down.

There were 3 Skye rebellions (4? maybe, i lose track) with no guarantee that the Free Skye movement used the same banner throughout all of them. If your just looking for a generic banner that represents the Skye Province (as a part of the Lyran Communistswithwealth), then i can tell you there isn't one. The regions didn't have banners, symbols or flags. Those were only used on a planetary basis. (The green one is the planetary flag for Skye, but i think you knew that?)

edit PS: I'd focus on trying to find the historic flag/symbol for the Federation of Skye (Pre-dating it's membership in the Lryan Commonwealth). They're a pretty traditional bunch, and i would be willing to bet they never changed it.

Edited by Beazle, 01 July 2012 - 08:17 PM.

[Lina Thoren]

It comes a bit after 3049, but during the Second Skye Rebellion, the Fourth Skye Guards (a Free Skye unit made up of elements of the Fourth and Tenth Skye Rangers, that attacked the Gray Death Legion on Glengary in 3057) used what appeared to be a modified Cross of Lorraine as its symbol. It's visible on the cover of Historical Turning Points: Glengarry.

Edited by Lina Thoren, 01 July 2012 - 09:42 PM.

[Morang]

Ghost B, on 01 July 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

The green flag looks like its sourced from Masters and Minions , if you can get your hands on a copy maybe the book has some hints on whether it functions as the flag of the overall Skye March or not.

In Masters and Minions it's only described as a planetary flag.

Lina Thoren, on 01 July 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

Fourth Skye Guards used what appeared to be a modified Cross of Lorraine as its symbol.

Yes, but from all sources it looks like it was a unit insignia.

I found a picture legend in the book 1621 "House Steiner":

This early symbol of the Lyran Commonwealth
symbolizes the three original entities: The Federation
of Skye, The Protectorate of Donegal and the Tamar
Pact, and how individually they were less than they
were when united under Steiner rule.

But I couldn't find edition with pictures to see how the damn symbol actually looks!

[Lina Thoren]

Morang, on 02 July 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

But I couldn't find edition with pictures to see how the damn symbol actually looks!

I have that one, actually. Unfortunately it doesn't look like much:

[Morang]

Thank you for your help!

Yep, looks like heraldry is not the strongest side of the BT universe (remember the same Issue with Tikonov, Andurien, Regulus etc.. damn, even Periphery savages and some petty mercenaries have got their coats of arms, but old historical regions of the Inner Sphere have not!). Well, would I decide to rebel against the oppression of the auld Isle of Skye freedoms, I think I'd use the green flag.

[Chuggernaut]

That's an interesting symbol. Might be apocryphal, though, since it's stated in later books that the original Lyran Commonwealth symbol was a three-stringed Lyre (ha ha...) and the Steiner fist was a symbol used only by the LCAF.

[Morang]

I found bigger, better picture. So, a 150x150 Allegiance icon may look like this:

[Endless Ike]

BOO THESE SEPARATISTS

what did the steiners ever do to you, you crazy micks...woudl you rather be on your own to fight the GD dragons??

Edited by Endless Ike, 02 July 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[Chuggernaut]

Don't worry; in the Dark Ages, House Kelswa comes crawling back on their hands and knees.

Edited by Chuggernaut, 02 July 2012 - 08:17 PM.

[Karl Streiger]

Chuggernaut, on 02 July 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Don't worry; in the Dark Ages, House Kelswa comes crawling back on their hands and knees.

Haus Kelswa Steiner...and Jasek had neither the leadership of a real steiner nor the stubbornness of a Kelswa... his grand father have never given Skye so freely in the hands of any invasor. We have fought for centurys against invasors from all other houses and even with teeth when we hadn't got any weapon to shot or at least even with nuclear fire.
But i think we have luck - thanks to the dimensional rift - we are now back in 49 that gives us the chance to wipe out this birdy scum so that the horrible event will never happen.

[Chuggernaut]

I'll give Skye this: they were smart enough to surrender to the 2nd Donegal Guard on Hesperus II. Then we would have really seen what Free Skye was made of (while we were hosing what was left of their troops out of their machines).

[Karl Streiger]

The retreat some will call it cowardness of the 4th Skye Ranger and the surrender of Esteban saved Hesperus II. It would have turned into a meat grinder like Kathil otherwise.
What for a fight ...11th Arctuan Guards - McDonell vs Esteban would have been really interesting...

[Endless Ike]

Chuggernaut, on 02 July 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Don't worry; in the Dark Ages, House Kelswa comes crawling back on their hands and knees.

I don't know the first thing about Dark Ages, i choose to ignore its existence.

[Chuggernaut]

Karl Streiger, on 03 July 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

The retreat some will call it cowardness of the 4th Skye Ranger and the surrender of Esteban saved Hesperus II. It would have turned into a meat grinder like Kathil otherwise.
What for a fight ...11th Arctuan Guards - McDonell vs Esteban would have been really interesting...

Von Frisch deciding he didn't want to stare down the Lyran Commonwealth's finest military mind and the RCT backing him up saved everyone in Free Skye from prison. If they hadn't pulled out and joined up with the Tharkad task force, Peter wouldn't have cut that deal with Robert Kelswa-Steiner and the Skye Rangers would probably have been disbanded entirely.

Edited by Chuggernaut, 03 July 2012 - 02:13 PM.

[Beazle]

Endless Ike, on 03 July 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

I don't know the first thing about Dark Ages, i choose to ignore its existence.

You sir, are now my favorite Steiner.

[Morang]

Looks like I found something.

Quote is from "The Dying Time":

Quote

The DropShips, mostly spheroid Unions and Overlords, with a few aerodyne Leopards in the mix, bore large swatches of roughly laid-on paint where the Lyran Alliance's mailed fist emblem had been obliterated. In its place, the rebels had painted the crudely rendered image of an ancient Scots warrior wielding a claymore. Alongside the almost cartoonish figure was the blue and green map-of-England crest of the Fourth Skye Regimental Combat Team.

So, it looks like the crest of the Free Skye is the same highland swordsman that is engraved on the "Honor of Skye" medal.


Colors are not mentioned, but I can guess green with some white and possibly black being used because of color of Skye planetary flag, color of the medal ribbon and color of highland dress worn by speaker at pro-Skye rally in the "Handbook: House Steiner".

Edited by Morang, 17 January 2013 - 06:24 AM.

[Arturus]

Nice work digging that quote up...color me impressed

.../tiphat