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[Soda Popinsky]

I've currently got an LRM15 + LRM5 in a Centurion AL. I've got TAG, but no Artemis. What's better, Artemis + LRM15 (dropping the LRM5), or LRM15+LRM5?

I've already dropped my armor a bit to handle the tonnage, but don't want to go lower (Endo+Double Heats).

[Felix]

I prefered Artemis when I played.

But ECM negates Artemis even if you TAG them, so you would be better off with the LRM 15+ LRM 5

[Johnny Reb]

I find artims negligible.

[OpCentar]

Soda Popinsky, on 21 January 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

I've currently got an LRM15 + LRM5 in a Centurion AL. I've got TAG, but no Artemis. What's better, Artemis + LRM15 (dropping the LRM5), or LRM15+LRM5?

I've already dropped my armor a bit to handle the tonnage, but don't want to go lower (Endo+Double Heats).

You need LineOfSight to target for Artemis to work, that's increased missile grouping and tracking ability.

If you can chain fire or alpha those LRM15+5 without overheating then don't take Artemis. If you overheat after a few volleys then drop the LRM5 and take Artermis.

[Soda Popinsky]

Thanks for the advice.

Does anyone know how much Artemis helps with percentage of hits?

Since most mechs sport, AMS, any LRM should be counted as LRM(X-7), due to AMS knocking out 7 missiles per volley. So an LRM15 hits with 8 missiles, while an LRM15+5 hits with 13 missiles. That's an increase of 62.5%.

I'm guessing the Artemis doesn't increase hit percentage by that much, even with LOS.

[King Arthur IV]

i am currently testing less lrm with artemis.

2 x lrm15
2 x lrm10

or

2 x lrm20 + artemis

only way to know if its any good is on caustic. return with reply soon. i hope

10mins later:

well i didnt get the map (had a good game), artemis at 300> really seems to get that tighter grouping. i didnt get a single kill but i did like 700 damage. im carrying 10 less lrm but iv got like 600 more ammo...... when your hitting enemy at 500-800 meters out i get huge hit readings on CT, if they run they group even tighter.

i guess its kind of worth it if your boating them. it will defintly free up tons, slots for ammo or other weapon etc.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 22 January 2013 - 07:08 AM.

[Thorqemada]

Artemis speeds up the Weapon Lock when you be not affected by ecm significantly.
Its use is as situational as the use of LRMs so imho i would go artemis (as you have no ammo expenses).
I like the CN9-A with 3x LRM5 though in that case Artemis would add 3 tons to your weight and i feel that is to much of a drawback but with one LRM15 its very reasonable.

In the end it must fit your playstyle and depends somewhat on the composition of the enemy team.

[Hammish]

It's a shame you don't want to go lower, then. if you optimize heavily with endo and DHS, you can fit in a 255 XL and sidestep the issue entirely.. by going 2x ALRM15. You should have just enough weight left over for both the TAG and a medium laser, too, without stripping the armor /too/ badly.

BTW, size and speed of target makes a large difference in terms of how much effect you'll see from Artemis. Just like with TAG, you'll see a marked improvement versus faster lights and mediums (IE, you can actually land a few missiles out of each salvo on them instead of missing with 99%), but not much of one versus say a Fatlas stomping around at 40kph.

Edited by Hammish, 22 January 2013 - 08:16 AM.

[Buckminster]

When I upgraded the LRM15s on my Cat to Artemis, I noticed a significant improvement in the grouping. No hard numbers, just that everything seemed to be tighter and mechs seemed to take more damage.

Although I do think Artemis is more useful on larger LRMs. An LRM20 is going to be more affected by spread than an LRM10.

I'd also check the number of tubes - if your LRM20 fires as 4 volleys of 5 (like on the Atlas), then the grouping will be inherently tighter.

[Soda Popinsky]

Thanks again for the advice.

Just to put things in context, I built this CN9-AL primarily as a sniper. I was originally going to put in dual ER PPC, at the expense of armor and a smaller engine, but with some advice of other players went with dual Large Lasers. The max 900 meter range is well within most engagement distances, and the heat savings seems to offset the somewhat over kill 1600 meter max on the ER PPC.

I figured LRMs would complement the stand off distances I was going for, hence the LRM15 + 5. Unless I hear the Artemis increases accuracy / hit rate by 60%, I think I'll stick with the extra LRM.

If I replace the engine with an XL, I could free up tonnage for LRM15 + LRM10 + more LRM ammo and more armor. Giving me this CN9-AL

Edited by Soda Popinsky, 22 January 2013 - 09:17 AM.