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[Thejuggla]

I was messing around with a tri ac2 hunchback and I find I like the ballistic but I think would be more practical on a heavier mech. I was thinking about picking up the 4 ballistic jager or catapract and running quad ac2 maybe with a Ppc if possible. But can't decided which one, looks like the jager has higher mounting but the catapract looks like a better brawl with 5 extra tons. Ideally run with a standard.

Also I have an atlas D I usually run with dual uac5 but was thinking down grounding both to ac2 allowing weigh to go else where while keeping similar dps. Although the idea of ac2 on the atlas seems kinda weird. Thoughts?

[One Medic Army]

For AC/2s I'd definitely go with the Jager.
AC/2s are all about holding down the button, and hammering your target. With the Cataphract you'll have one AC/2 on the arm crosshair, and the other on the torso crosshair, which leads to even more spread out damage when the AC/2 already spreads it's damage significantly.

I'd also suggest that you try both the AC/2 boat (4-6 AC/2s on a Jager) as well as a more balanced 2x AC/2+ another ballistic (2x AC/5, 2x UAC/5, AC/10, AC/20, or Gauss).
Mixing ballistics helps make up for one of the things the AC/2 lacks, the ability to deal highly concentrated damage.

[The Cheese]

I'd recommend the Jager S or DD for an AC2 boat. Having all of the ACs in the arms (as opposed to 2 on the torso, 2 in the arms) helps a lot with aiming. 4x AC/2 is absolutely brutal if you can catch someone off guard.

You won't fit 4xAC2 with an additional PPC, but you really don't need the PPC. Just run 4 AC2s and as much ammo as you can carry.

Another great build for the DD or S is 2 x AC5 and 2 x AC2 with 2 ML, but for this you really must upgrade to DHS and ES so you can carry more ammo and heat sinks. It's too hot and ammo restricted in it's stock configuration.

In any of these multi-AC Jagers, you have to run an XL engine, so keep in mind that you're going to be fragile. You're not a frontline mech. You're a 'target of opportunity' hunter. Keep with your group and pick your targets carefully. You'll be able to bring down targets very fast, but only so long as they're focused on something else. As soon as they go for you, you'll need to bug out quickly.

Wouldn't go with this gun on an Atlas. It's too hard to use well in conjunction with other weapons, especially when it's torso mounted.

Edited by The Cheese, 30 May 2013 - 10:51 PM.

[Thejuggla]

On the Cataphract it has 2 ballistic in each arm, are you telling me they fire from different spots or are you thinking it has 1 in each arm and then 1 in each torso? Would you say it would be a better brawler than the jager?

As for the atlas I was thinking using the ac2s could be used more for brawling(because similar dps) while allowing the 6 extra tons to be spent on more weapons, also quite a bit of saved slots.

[Sephlock]

You'll also get to enjoy the incredible stupidity and saltiness of people who think you are giving yourself an advantage rather than gimping yourself as you dakka them with ac/2s.

[One Medic Army]

Thejuggla, on 30 May 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

On the Cataphract it has 2 ballistic in each arm, are you telling me they fire from different spots or are you thinking it has 1 in each arm and then 1 in each torso? Would you say it would be a better brawler than the jager?

As for the atlas I was thinking using the ac2s could be used more for brawling(because similar dps) while allowing the 6 extra tons to be spent on more weapons, also quite a bit of saved slots.

All Cataphracts (except 4X) have 1 Ballistic spot in the R-torso. The 3D also has 1 in the R-arm, and the Hero Cataphract has 1 in each arm. The 4X has 2 in each arm, however the 4X should be avoided at all costs: it's maximum engine size is 255, which gives it the speed of an assault mech rather than a heavy.

[XSerjo]

Dragon needs some love. Something like this 3xAC2 DGN-5N . Quad AC2 Jager and Phract are cool, but they are damn slow!

[One Medic Army]

XSerjo, on 30 May 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Dragon needs some love. Something like this 3xAC2 DGN-5N . Quad AC2 Jager and Phract are cool, but they are damn slow!

Because there's nothing like having less firepower/armor than a Cataphract going the same speed, while having 25tons of your 60ton mech rendered useless as soon as your arm gets blown off.
Some people enjoy that build, I've never seen it as anything but terrible, and this despite having mastered 3 Dragons.

[XSerjo]

One Medic Army, on 30 May 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Because there's nothing like having less firepower/armor than a Cataphract going the same speed, while having 25tons of your 60ton mech rendered useless as soon as your arm gets blown off.
Some people enjoy that build, I've never seen it as anything but terrible, and this despite having mastered 3 Dragons.

It depends on pilot skill.
But don't forget about barn-size side torsos of XL340 Phract.
Moreover, fast Phracts have to use armlock for better convergence - Dragon have wider arc of fire.

P.S.
You're right. There're no reason to use lighter mechs, when you cant take heavier without penalties. Jager is better now in all cases.

Edited by XSerjo, 30 May 2013 - 11:45 PM.