10 replies to this topic

[Rigiroth]

Currently, eight mans are challenging. Because it is more organized, it often takes a lot longer as well. I propose increasing the C Bill and XP reward for eight mans and possibly adding more C Bills for winning so it has more of an incentive for people to play it.

[BIGSHELL]

Im gonna have to agree on this one. 8 mans can be long and satisfying games, but there is almost no incentive to actually win the game since either way, your money made will depend mostly on the damage you have delt in addition to assists. I often find myself All-speaking during the game if our base is being captured and telling the opponent not to cap it, but to fight it out instead, resulting in more money. They almost always agree too.

[Corvus Antaka]

Won't this lead to organized & fast 8 mans making more money per hour then?

[Wolf Ender]

i don't support this.

running 8 mans is about wanting to improve your skills and play against a competent and competitive team. it's not for making money

i am afraid turning 8-mans into a big cash cow will severely dilute the quality of people playing 8-man and destroy the essence of competition that it currently carries.

[Rigiroth]

I'm not talking about a cash cow. I'm talking about a slight boost...say maybe 50% boost expecting games to run at about twice as long. It is just giving a little more profit. Additionally, it wouldn't ruin them because it isn't like you would get unorganized pubs creating 8 mans; they would have to have some unison and be trying to win. It would get more people playing and it still would spur the development of tactics as with society. (The more people working on something, the faster it develops)

As for the issue of grinding, this boost wouldn't make it more viable. If 16 people really wanted to grind, then they would take Awesome 9Ms with the biggest XL and the most expensive load out possible and then just head shot each other and arm each other to maximize rewards.

[Ascendent]

I definitely don't support this idea. 8 man is for competition. There is no reason to be rewarded more.

The issue of cbill reward balance based on tasks performed in game equally applies to pugs and 8 mans alike. Example: one could argue if they spearhead an attack and break the enemy lines in a pug, effectively securing the win, but die early with little damage (since they cored 2 mechs by taking out shoulders on xls with pinpoint accuracy) that they aren't paid enough compared to a suicidal light that sprays the entire enemy team with a SL each and gets 8 assists (but really didn't scout, protect base, cap enemy base, support the team, protect heavy/assaults, etc.).

Perfect balance will never be achieved. Within 8s the same imbalances exist. If you play with a team for success of the team, you may or may not be proportionally rewarded. The game will never be able to mathematically calculate your contribution to the team and award you fairly.

The other argument, that is often made, that 8s should be paid more cbills/xp because it takes longer to setup, matches run longer, etc. is just well ludicrous.

In closing I do believe the developers should continue to strive to reward good play, and they have made substantial gains in that direction (adding spotting, tag/narc bonuses, keeping kill/assist bonuses the same, etc.). But all changes should apply to pugs and 8s alike, nothing more, nothing less (unless some clear unforeseen abuse etc. comes to light). And yes I do play 8s when ever I get the chance.

Edited by Ascendent, 26 January 2013 - 06:23 PM.

[focuspark]

Eight man drops are generally more fun because you don't have random drops and TKs, additionally you're there with 7 of your "friends". No reason you should make more c-bills and/or XP than people in PUGs.

[TB Freelancer]

Steemship, on 25 January 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Currently, eight mans are challenging. Because it is more organized, it often takes a lot longer as well. I propose increasing the C Bill and XP reward for eight mans and possibly adding more C Bills for winning so it has more of an incentive for people to play it.

Was wondering when this weak argument would rear its ugly head again.

Not gonna happen buddy, and BTW. That's what fair fights should be like. That's the kind of money you should be earning....

...you ought to be on your knees kissing the Devs feet for allowing you to **** pugs for so long before they took away 8s, and for allowing 4s (or 8s for the ones who really know how to do it) mix with pugs. The easy money isn't going to last forever.....


...get used to it.

[Rigiroth]

focuspark, on 26 January 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

Eight man drops are generally more fun because you don't have random drops and TKs, additionally you're there with 7 of your "friends". No reason you should make more c-bills and/or XP than people in PUGs.

I find that playing eight mans tend to be more stressful than pugs. It's only logical that a more challenging mode should earn more rewards.

[RedMercury]

Make it much more profitable in terms of GXP. That will give people incentive to play there.

[focuspark]

Steemship, on 27 January 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

I find that playing eight mans tend to be more stressful than pugs. It's only logical that a more challenging mode should earn more rewards.

Then don't drop 8MAN and stick to PUGs. Or are you suggesting that 8MANs are more fun because of the challenge and you prefer them, but still want something for free?

RedMercury, on 27 January 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

Make it much more profitable in terms of GXP. That will give people incentive to play there.

Why in the heck would PGI do that? GXP is one way they make real money, be happy they allow you to get any GXP for free at all. I wouldn't.