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[WolvesX]

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Edited by WolvesX, 12 March 2013 - 07:18 AM.

[TheForce]

or u could get a CN9-A and do better too

[Dukarriope]

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Speed? Cataphrakt is near as fast!

Are you joking? The fastest 'Phract is still 20km/h slower.

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Weapons? Kiddin?

I may "only" have 30~35 firepower, but that's all I need to core you or take your cabin out fast.

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Armor? '___'

A Dragon can have as much as 402 armor. Still plenty for something that quick.

[One Medic Army]

Dragon has two problems:
The hardpoints suck
In current matchmaker it's placed against other heavy mechs

That being said, it's not completely terrible, as it can go faster than any of the mediums aside from Cicada and Cent 9D while having more armor and more firepower. Dragons can reach 97.2kph before speed tweak. A cataphract only hits 78.7kph before speed tweak.

The 5N is pretty worthless, 3 ballistic hardpoints on what's supposed to be a fast 60 ton mech.

I own (and own with) a Flame, 1C, and 1N. It can be done, but don't expect to brawl. Dragons are much closer to striker mechs.

Edited by One Medic Army, 27 January 2013 - 09:36 AM.

[Warma]

Cataphract is 70 tons, Dragon is 60 tons. The former has more firepower, sure.

It's the matchmaker's fault for not matching by total weight but by weight class. This will change someday and then Commandos and Dragons will be worth it.

[Bfvmg]

A lot of people have told me that a Dragon is just about a larger Centurion. They love both of them.
Personally, I dont care for either one, but I have always said its personal pref and playstyle that will dictate your choices.

In some games, I have seen dragons smoke everything. Other games the dragon dies quick. It always depends on the pilots.

Personally, I feel the Spider is the worst mech in the game. I would rather play a Trial then a spider.

[NRP]

Dragons aren't terrible. At all. Whoever told you this is lying. Dragons are the premier fast hit-and-run skirmishers. They are very dangerous.

[Adridos]

Dragon is not the worst mech in the game, not by a margin.

It just takes skill to pilot right, unlike cheese builds of (both) Cats.

[Dukarriope]

Three AC/2s on an arm can actually be alarmingly effective.
Then also the fact that the high maximum engine size of the Dragon affords it much faster twisting than other heavies, and the fact that its arms also have a wider movement range than, for example, the Cataphract, makes it easily the best strafer in the class, especially if it ends up in the classical circle dance.
The Dragon is also easily the best sniping 'mech. Put a Gauss, or the triple AC/2s in the arm, and you'll have a very mobile platform ideal for sniping then repositioning quickly. The arm obviously takes more skill to aim, but it does afford a very wide range of targeting.


Besides, the worst 'mech in game should be the Death's Knell far as I'm concerned.

Edited by Dukarriope, 27 January 2013 - 09:37 AM.

[Bluescuba]

LOL

The Dragon is far from the worst mech in the game. The issue with the dragon is that it requires skill to play, therefore those without skill will call it a bad mech; when in actual fact it is they that are bad mechwarriors.

Catapract nearly as fast as a dragon? Who are you kidding, dragons max out at 106.9kph

Weapons well lets take that 106.9kph dragon how does 4 large laser sound, or 4 mediums and an UAC5 and a slow dragon doing say 89.1kph can mount even more weapons. So dragons can mount an acceptable amount of weapons for their class.

Armour 402 points ok its not massive but you need to hit the dragon before you can start eating away at the armour.

I personally would fight any mech 1 vs 1 with my dragon.

[Tennex]

dragon has really ****** hardpoints.

but its really fast lol.


kind of why Flame is P2W though. its a lot better than the other dragons in hardpoints with out the drawbacks.

[Jack Corvus]

Poor pilots always blame the chassis. Some mechs are forgiving and easy, that doesn't make the others bad.

[Denno]

The Flame is a decent mech.

[MagnumLovin]

I bought a Dragon once. Had such a bad time in it that I sold it as soon as I was out of the 3rd game running it. Can't even remember the model....

The hardpoints were the absolute worst. I actually bought it seeing there were two missile hardpoints on it but only one LRM10. Thought I'd buy it and maybe throw down with a pair of LRM 15's, even it out. This is why I sold it. Those 2 missile hard points are in the center torso. I think this design dates back to Star League days when they built the first mechs. At least one could say that they put 2 missile slots in the center torso because they didn't know what they were doing, but it looks good on paper. Who puts two in the CT? Why?

Here's to the engineer who designed the Dragon, and because of him, I don't PILOT ONE!

Omnitech help us.

[Serapth]

I love my Flame, and you can do the exact same build using one other chassis. 4xLarge lasers and 103km/h with maxed armor is damned powerful. Piloted right it will eat other heavys without so much as a burp.

If you cant exploit speed and think strategy consists of turning left and walking in circles, or walking up to an enemy mech and face humping it, Dragon is not the mech for you.


That said, two of the Dragon chassis have absolutely awful hardpoints.

[Novawrecker]

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

YES,

because you can get a Catapult or a Cataphrakt for it, which do exatly the same thing (destroy things) as the dragon, but with less weapons, armor, ammo and crapy HP (come on 3 BLs in a ARM??)

Eh, it's all about personal preference. I happen to have both a Dragon and 'Phract. I like the Dragon leagues better than the 'Phract.

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

There is NO reason to buy or play a Dragon, if you'r not a Dragon lover of some kind.

Dragon lover or not, your argument holds little weight with due to the (lack of) reason you supplied.

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Speed? Cataphrakt is near as fast!

Atypical 'Phract uses about a 280 engine, with speed tweek that puts them in the 81 kph range. Atypical Dragon uses about a 320'ish engine, puting them in the 95kph range. There is nothing "near as fast" between that disparity.

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Weapons? Kiddin?

what kidding? 'phracts tend to run about a 45 average damage rating. Guess what, so does the atypical dragon.

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Armor? '___'

The difference between a dragon and 'phract's armor is about .5 to 1 ton difference. That's 16-32 pts in difference, which is nothing with how much damage mechs can put out.

WolvesX, on 27 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

NO REASON!


IF YOU DECIDE TO USE A DRAGON, YOU DAMAGE YOUR TEAM BY -1 HEAVY INSTEAD OF A MEDIUM MECH!

Take a medium instead please, like a Hunch or so.

Once again you basing on personal preference versus actual facts and numbers. That you do not personally like Dragons? Hey, that's your thing. But that does not make them bad mechs (people with terrible loadouts make a mech bad ).

Just as players can make builds to maximize a Cataphract's potential, so too occurs with the Dragon. To say running a Dragon is an automatic penalty to your team based soley on the mech instead of the player is completely unfounded.

[Gaeb]

Dragon's hardly the worst mech in the game. It's an oddball for its weight class, but its not meant to hunt heavies and assaults.

If we were trying to pick out worst mechs in the game, taking into account all the potential roles and objectives, it would probably be one of the lights - even with ECM. There's not enough objective based rewards or large enough maps for their speed to be all that advantageous, and they're SSRM fodder.

[El Penguin]

Dragon isn't that bad. I feel that the Awesome is the worse mech in the game. The Dragon atleast has speed on its side.

I still play both mechs though and do well in pubs ..until matchmaking comes, but we will probably have something like balancing by tons by then maybe.

[Monsoon]

No the Dragon doesn't 'Suck', it takes more thought to set the hardpoints to something viable, but it can still be as dangerous a tool as the other Heavies.

Edited by Monsoon, 27 January 2013 - 10:00 AM.

[Johnathan Twattenhiem]

No way, I have been using a dragon for a while now and have found that, when equipped well, a dragon can easily hold its own against the cataphract or catapult. Heck, I've even cored an awesome or two with it.