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[Dark Baron]

How many slots are in a Cataphract CTF-FX's arms? Can they hold an AC 20? or two AC 5s?

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

They can not hold an AC20. They can hold a Gauss, 2 AC5s, or 1 5 and one UAC5 each. I like the 4xAC5 build myself, but dual Gauss is also nice. I've heard that 2 UAC5s+ 2 AC2s are also fun.

Edited by Warrax the Chaos Warrior, 27 January 2013 - 12:29 PM.

[ReissTC]

The Cataphract 4X has two ballistic hard points in each arm; each arm has 9 crit slots.

I use mine with 4 AC5s; AC5 takes 4 crits.

The 4X can't mount an AC20, unfortunately. AFAIK the only mech in-game that can mount an AC20 in its arm is the Yen-lo-wang.

[Velete]

Sucks how the phract got an arm movment nerf ( as if it was missing actuators ) but didnt actually gain anymore arm slots as recompense:/

[ParasiteX]

ReissTC, on 27 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

The Cataphract 4X has two ballistic hard points in each arm; each arm has 9 crit slots.

I use mine with 4 AC5s; AC5 takes 4 crits.

The 4X can't mount an AC20, unfortunately. AFAIK the only mech in-game that can mount an AC20 in its arm is the Yen-lo-wang.

The Raven 4X can also mount a AC20 in the arm.. and it's actually quite effective As most people tend to ignore the 4X. Making it easier for em to sneak up and blast em in the back.
I like to call the AC20 Raven build "The Atlas An*l Plug"

Being able to fit a AC20 in the arm, comes at a price though. As the arm has to lose the lower arm actuator to make it fit. Which prevents you from moving the arm left and right.

[Azooazerick]

Well I have a question relating to the CTF-4X...

What is the ideal set up for this mech? Right now i have it set up with 2 medium pulse lasers, 2 UAC5s, and a 5LRM, .. I have the Internal structer to make my mech lighter and had to shave off more armor than i would like to equip the UAC5s.... and still only ave about 31 "firepower" ( i also equiped it with a 1 ton heavier engine becuase it seemed weird for a heavy mech to be as slow as an assult with less firepower and armor.)

[Elkfire]

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ab#i=44&l=stock

Go nuts!

As for an ideal setup, a lot of people go dual-gauss. I'll edit this post with a possible build for that, but people who actually run a 4x might have a better idea of how to put it together.

Edit: So here's what I came up with:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6f1fb3bbae2bb7f

You could take out the ER large laser (just threw it in for some more all-range firepower) and put in two mediums if you wanted three more tons for more gauss ammo or what have you.

Edited by Elkfire, 27 January 2013 - 03:18 PM.

[Azooazerick]

Elkfire, on 27 January 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ab#i=44&l=stock

Go nuts!

As for an ideal setup, a lot of people go dual-gauss. I'll edit this post with a possible build for that, but people who actually run a 4x might have a better idea of how to put it together.

Edit: So here's what I came up with:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6f1fb3bbae2bb7f

You could take out the ER large laser (just threw it in for some more all-range firepower) and put in two mediums if you wanted three more tons for more gauss ammo or what have you.

Hey thanks a bunch for taking the time to help me out If i do decide this load out, i will replace the large lasers for a couple other things.

Edited by Azooazerick, 27 January 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[Azooazerick]

I came up with this CTF-4X load out and was wondering if this setup is an decent one http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e9f53f799746ae2

Though i cant say for sure but it does look like the Gauss rifle set up is Superior. Can any CTF-4X player confirm this...? This is my first mech and my first design.. That wasnt for the table top... ( i made tanks XD)

[Elkfire]

Doesn't look too bad to me, just depends on whether you want pinpoint firepower (the gauss rifles) or laying down a stream of AC shells.

You might run into ammo issues, because even when I ran a single UAC5 on a centurion I went through 100 rounds pretty fast; if necessary you could switch the UACs for two more AC2s, add some more AC2 ammo, and possibly have some tonnage left over for other random things.

Gotta be careful when using UACs as your primary weapon systems regardless, since they jam at really random times. Also, your heat efficiency looks pretty low. You usually want to put ammo in the legs if possible on most mechs, especially the larger ones, as people don't tend to shoot at the legs on those.

My personal preference would be the gauss rifles, to be honest, since they have negligible heat and are useful at all ranges. Downside is the limited ammo per ton and the precision required, but my primary focus on most mechs is ensuring heat efficiency, so that's just, again, my own preference. Another downside of the Gauss (and most large ballistics) is that once the armor is stripped on the section they're in, they get destroyed pretty quick, and with C.A.S.E unavailable in the arms, the explosion might damage your side torsos (not exactly sure how that works, since I don't run Gauss rifles in mechs with arm-mounted ballistics atm).

Edited by Elkfire, 27 January 2013 - 04:32 PM.

[Azooazerick]

Elkfire, on 27 January 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Doesn't look too bad to me, just depends on whether you want pinpoint firepower (the gauss rifles) or laying down a stream of AC shells.

You might run into ammo issues, because even when I ran a single UAC5 on a centurion I went through 100 rounds pretty fast; if necessary you could switch the UACs for two more AC2s, add some more AC2 ammo, and possibly have some tonnage left over for other random things.

Gotta be careful when using UACs as your primary weapon systems regardless, since they jam at really random times. Also, your heat efficiency looks pretty low. You usually want to put ammo in the legs if possible on most mechs, especially the larger ones, as people don't tend to shoot at the legs on those.

Ive been running the UAC5s for a few matches and the jamming can be a *****, but it seems to work alright... Im far from a good player so it feels like.. at least for the moment just spraying rounds all over the damn place is a better stratagy till i get better at the game.. Ill play a few games with it and feel it out... and if dont like it its not a huge deal. Thanks for the help. also sorry about thread jacking XD

Edited by Azooazerick, 27 January 2013 - 04:47 PM.

[Mr 144]

My standard rule of thumb for UAC ammo is 3tons per gun.

Edited by Mr 144, 27 January 2013 - 04:42 PM.

[Tarman]

Yeah, UAC5s eat ammo like a Stormtrooper rifle, namnamnam. Sometimes I like them on my Catas, sometimes I don't. I don't really have a fave build, since I drive three Catas and I like to test out new ideas. I like the dakka they can bring, I'm a fan of ballistics.

My current 4X is running twins each of SSRM2 w/1t, ML, and UAC5 w/6t, trying out a close-range fighter. It's fun, I killed an Atlas with it pointblank. There wasn't enough left for a Spider to eat afterwards but I probably should have died in that engagement as I was the one surprised. It's slower than vanilla at 54.3, I downgraded the engine to a 235 to fit in some stuff ages ago and never re-upped it.

[Dark Baron]

THx Waraxe

@ Azoo/Elkfire- I saw a vid on youtube (a lot of vids actually) showing the 4X chain firing 4x AC5s. It was awesome. You loose some alpha strike damage, but gain a true 'machine gun' effect and steady damage output that is much more sustainable. I've heard some people complain about trying to use the Gauss cannon for close combat, but it does give a bigger punch. Might want to give the 4 x AC 5s a shot.