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[AustinNH]

CapperDeluxe, on 28 January 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

sure, but as we've seen this far taking the table top's original interpretation of ECM can be harmful to the gameplay and balance of other systems. Besides my suggestion would still retain the ECM's advantage, just give a bit more of a purpose to BAP since it desperately needs more purpose.

What? I could be confused here but if we'd taken the table top interpretation of ECM we wouldn't have these problems. The ECM countered BAP and nullified the benefits of Artemis and TAG if I remember correctly. It explicitly did NOT prevent lock-ons in TT. The problem was that we did NOT take the TT interpretation, and instead added this new lock-on prevention mechanic that has lead to the ECM+streak problem.

[CDLord HHGD]

When it comes to ECM, it all boils down to the have's and have not's and that's not right. ECM needs more counters (TAG, NARC, BAP) that nullifies it. Here is how I see it:

TAG: Should penetrate ECM for the targeted mech only. The TAGger needs to be outside the bubble to share the data with friendlies, BUT does not need to be outside to use it's own data.

NARC: Should provide targetting data for the targetted mech to all friendlies outside of the ECM bubble.

BAP: Should penetrate ECM 1:1 for the mech with BAP only and as long as the BAP mech is outside of the ECM bubble.

Just my two cents.....

EDIT: TAG rethink.

Edited by cdlord, 28 January 2013 - 07:55 AM.

[Basilisk51]

Should say ecm IS op and those are still the only mechs worth bringing

Edited by Basilisk51, 28 January 2013 - 07:56 AM.

[John MatriX82]

netcode helped a lot, especially to deal with those little picks of Ravens and Commandos.

Still, ECM breaks up pugs experience by nullifying situational awareness and by affecting the game a lot; its effects should be tweaked a lot.

I'd reduce it as an individual alternative to the AMS, to allow infiltration between enemy lines, not affecting nearby allies at all and whenever you get close to any enemy mech, you become spotted and you can be targeted like anything else, only with increased lock on time.

I'd say 150m to 0, 200m to 0 with sensor range module, 250 with both sensor range modules and up to 300m if somebody bears in BAP + SR 1 and SR 2. Tagging or NARC'ing an ECM bearer would only make lock ons time faster than without.

No ecm bubble or counter/distrupt modes anymore.

[Penance]

the netcode improvements balance the game OVERALL.

you can actually hit light mechs now without having to lead a phantom. It's not perfect, but getting there.

Edited by Penance, 28 January 2013 - 08:12 AM.

[VXJaeger]

Netcode fix nerfed round 60% of ECM's OPness. Now Ravens die even w/ ballistic weapons.

[Jetfire]

After the new pilot skills come out and PPC EMP is added I think it will finally be a pretty tenable balance. Getting pretty close, but not quite there. Much worse in 8v8 due to the lack of any kind of tonnage balance.

[locilocisu]

No. Just the fact that ECM makes obsolete all the variants in the same chassis that can't mount ECM is proof. It is so powerful with so little drawback that it'd be a no brainer to pick it up or not.

With the other equipments, you still think about whether it's worth it or not, but not for ECM.

[Navid A1]

because i still have lag shield (which means i still fire 2 mechs ahead to hit lights and one mech to hit things as big as dragons)... i voted other.
my ping: 190ms

Edited by Navid A1, 28 January 2013 - 09:30 AM.